TWA Lawsuit

[BlueBlood]

ALPA sucks.

Why is the ALPA EVP of B3 / AirTran pilot posting on an anonymous forum when everyone knows who he is? Does mommy (boys in Herndon) know he is doing this?

 

[xjhawk]

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–noun, plural -ties for 2. 1. the state of being senior; priority of birth; superior age.

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Trouble is we have allowed ALPA to change this definition in the the merger policy.When i started this was the exact definition that was used.ALPA outsources one of its major responsibilities when it uses arbitrators.

well said!

 

[Guppiedriver]

So, how does Valujet determine your seniority if not by your longevity? How was your list put together if not by longevity. Every other union in this world assigns seniority by your DOH. Just the PFT generation sees it different.

M

USAPA's seniority proposal puts a guy that was hired two months before me ahead of me on that list. However, I have almost twice the LOS as this guy. Explain to me how that fits in with your longevity argument?

 

[charlie2]

USAPA's seniority proposal puts a guy that was hired two months before me ahead of me on that list. However, I have almost twice the LOS as this guy. Explain to me how that fits in with your longevity argument?

I have 6 years of service and was hired 12 years ago and believe it or not I would be happy to have been slotted in with west 6 year guys but because I was used as a pawn and management threw me and my family under the bus I "brought nothing to the table" and was stapled below the new hires. I'm running out of periods on my key board so I have to use run-on sentences...sorry. Wait a tick this thread is a TWA Lawsuit thread...sorry for the hijack...I'll shut-up.

 

[Jim]

....words.......

You came across as bitterly anti-ALPA and Hawaiian is an ALPA carrier. Happily so in my opinion and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I was not judging your character, I was suggesting that if you are as anti-ALPA as your post suggested, you might want to reconsider as you would be joining a pro-ALPA pilot group if hired. Your subsequent post clarified your ALPA attitude somewhat but the statement "I hope someone slams ALPA" is what gets me.

For the most part, what everyone blames ALPA National for is the actions of their own MECs under the leadership of pilots they themselves have elected. If ALPA National is "slammed" by this lawsuit, it will not only hurt ALPA National, but ALPA units and ALPA pilots everywhere. It will weaken the structure and might even result in an assessment of all the pilots.

I have disagreed with Hawaiian's MEC internally when I do not think they have made the right choice/decisions but externally I support them 100%. I have no doubt they are acting in the manner they think is best for the entire pilot group. I do know that without Hawaiian's ALPA unit and ALPA National's support, I would not be enjoying the compensation, work rules and quality of life that our contract affords. That Hawaiian is such a good place to work is thanks to ALPA. So no, I do not want anti-ALPA pilots to join our pilot group. I don't want our unity and strength weakened by naysayers.

I am not naive, I understand that ALPA is not perfect and makes mistakes/has weaknesses. But the good they do far out shines the bad. The mistakes and weaknesses can be fixed without "slamming" the organization and losing sight of the big picture.

 

[charlie2]

I think a common belief is that yes, your MEC is responsible, but the handsome pay/benefits/huge retirement that our dues money is paying you would think that we could hope for a little supervision by these very rich ALPA officers. At US Stupidways east we signed off on a forever LOA 93...really? Why couldn't one of the millionaires at national say to our mec "Don't do that...put an end date to the draconian pay cuts"????? If national is truly not in the loop at all on contracts, LOA's, grievences etc... then why be ALPA? For the magazine? No one here will answer my question. Happy Independence Day to everyone on this board. Have fun and be safe. Semper Fi.

 

[PCL_128]

Why couldn't one of the millionaires at national say to our mec "Don't do that...put an end date to the draconian pay cuts"?????

Millionaires at national? No one at national is a millionaire. Not even close. They make little more than a senior line holder at their respective airlines.

As far as your question, you weren't exactly in a position to demand anything like that at Airways. The airline was in dire shape, and a judge would have imposed something far more onerous than even the horrible conditions that you ended up with in negotiations, most likely. The company wasn't going to accept a snapback clause, and the judge wouldn't either. There was nothing that anyone at national could do about that.

If national is truly not in the loop at all on contracts, LOA's, grievences etc... then why be ALPA? For the magazine? No one here will answer my question.

I'll answer your question. National is always in the loop and providing advice, but sometimes advice isn't followed, and sometimes you may not like the advice, even though it is sound. For example, I'm sure you weren't happy with your MEC terminating your pension, but all of the advisors to your MEC knew that it was the only viable option, so they took a difficult vote and did the right thing. Other times, MECs get advice from their advisors and ignore it. That usually doesn't turn out too well, but pilots always think that they know best. In the end, national doesn't make decisions for you, they just provide advice to your local leaders. The local guys make all of the final decisions.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Is the trial over? What happened?

 

[freightdogfred]

Millionaires at national? No one at national is a millionaire. Not even close. They make little more than a senior line holder at their respective airlines.

Well, not really...

They make more. A lot more. The lowest paid secretary makes more than quite a few ALPA carrier copilots. ALPA's history is chock full of sellouts and dirty deals because ALPA is in business for ALPA and that's the long and short of it. Here's a list of payscales back from the day of your buddy Woerthless.



Name Title Salary Benefits& Other TotalCompensation


Duane Woerth President $ 351,186 $ 136,744 $ 487,930
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 389,238 $ 4,532 $ 393,770

Bruce York Dir Representation $ 348,955 $ 35,617 $ 384,572
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel&dir, Legal $ 366,736 $ 3,213 $ 369,949

Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 306,635 $ 4,752 $ 311,387
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 309,429 $ 1,729 $ 311,158

Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 295,943 $ 6,195 $ 302,138
William Roberts Asst Dir Representation $ 287,391 $ 11,944 $ 299,335

Jim Johnson Managing Attorney, Legal $ 277,013 $ 19,828 $ 296,841
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Representation $ 266,107 $ 17,407 $ 283,514

Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 236,488 $ 46,862 $ 283,350
Keith Hagy Director Eng & Air Safety $ 268,112 $ 4,410 $ 272,522

Jeffrey Small Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 238,517 $ 32,145 $ 270,662
Gene Granof Managing Attorney, Legal $ 264,519 $ 4,443 $ 268,962

Liz Koby Managing Attorney $ 244,656 $ 18,328 $ 262,984
Jerry Anker Managing Attorney, Legal $ 261,212 $ 1,764 $ 262,976

Jim Wilson Asst Dir Representation $ 251,189 $ 11,582 $ 262,771
Dave Vance Director, Retir & Ins $ 257,048 $ 3,391 $ 260,439

Ana Mcahron-schulz Director,econ&fin Anal $ 211,946 $ 27,592 $ 239,538
Bob Christy Mgr, Economic&financial $ 211,096 $ 23,513 $ 234,609
Robert Nichols Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 225,090 $ 6,477 $ 231,567
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 226,442 $ 3,021 $ 229,463
Russ Bailey Senior Attorney $ 223,322 $ 2,825 $ 226,147
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Administrator $ 209,270 $ 7,402 $ 216,672
Russell Woody Sr Benefits Attorney $ 205,382 $ 10,019 $ 215,401
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Administrator $ 200,764 $ 12,612 $ 213,376
Charlie Murphy Director, It & Service $ 208,715 $ 1,047 $ 209,762
Marcus Migliore Senior Attorney $ 203,160 $ 852 $ 204,012
Clay Warner Senior Attorney $ 201,639 $ 1,900 $ 203,539
Bob Lipsey Pension Inv Coordinator $ 181,595 $ 18,251 $ 199,846
Art La Flamme Sr Representative $ 184,738 $ 11,416 $ 196,154
Steve Hodgson Sr Field Representative $ 180,438 $ 9,282 $ 189,720
John Schleder Sr Contract Administrator $ 183,983 $ 3,517 $ 187,500
Rob Plunkett Sr Contract Administrator $ 184,118 $ 1,422 $ 185,540
William Elliott Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 180,241 $ 4,396 $ 184,637
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative Rep $ 180,939 $ 3,392 $ 184,331
Jeffrey Macdonald Supv, Collective Bargain $ 165,443 $ 17,421 $ 182,864
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative Rep $ 181,339 $ 1,425 $ 182,764
Art Luby Sr Contract Administrator $ 175,308 $ 5,955 $ 181,263
Dennis Dolan First Vice-president $ 0 $ 180,874 $ 180,874
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Administrator $ 177,005 $ 3,222 $ 180,227
Betty Ginsburg Senior Attorney $ 177,944 $ 2,106 $ 180,050
Victoria Fortuna Sr Benefits Attorney $ 176,673 $ 2,769 $ 179,442
Jim Medley Mgr, Systems Development $ 174,138 $ 188 $ 174,326
David Holtzman Sr Contract Administrator $ 165,286 $ 8,232 $ 173,518
Suzanne Kalfus Senior Attorney $ 168,913 $ 2,692 $ 171,605
Gary Dinunno Supv,airline Pilot Mag $ 170,308 $ 1,000 $ 171,308
Kevin Fitzpatrick Sr. Contract Admin. $ 170,423 $ 0 $ 170,423
Richard Harrell Manager, It-dev Sup $ 168,590 $ 1,432 $ 170,022
Jerry Wright Mgr, Security&human Perf $ 166,031 $ 2,763 $ 168,794
James Connolly Field Representative $ 160,354 $ 5,300 $ 165,654
Joan (jody) Bettenburg Sr Contract Admin $ 164,226 $ 1,230 $ 165,456
Darrell Green Sr Contract Administrator $ 159,038 $ 4,844 $ 163,882
Bill Edmunds Human Performance Spec $ 157,924 $ 5,051 $ 162,975
Paul Rice Vice President Admin $ 0 $ 162,735 $ 162,735
Bob Striegel Sr Staff Engineer $ 155,205 $ 5,990 $ 161,195
Don Mcclure Air Safety Coordinator $ 147,790 $ 13,346 $ 161,136
John Dean Contract Administrator $ 147,398 $ 12,676 $ 160,074
Bill Phaneuf Sr Staff Engineer $ 155,108 $ 3,746 $ 158,854
Richard Pavel Field Representative $ 150,947 $ 7,078 $ 158,025
Chris Baum Mgr, Accident Inv $ 154,712 $ 1,843 $ 156,555
Christopher Beebe Vice President Finance $ 0 $ 155,360 $ 155,360
Everett Barber Contract Administrator $ 147,946 $ 6,640 $ 154,586
Jim Lobsenz Senior Attorney $ 152,105 $ 2,146 $ 154,251
Margarita Lorenzetti Manager, Finance & Acct $ 151,842 $ 434 $ 152,276
John Wells Attorney $ 143,135 $ 6,504 $ 149,639
Sandra Pusey Supv, Product Support $ 149,518 $ 0 $ 149,518
David Krieger Lead Financial Analyst $ 138,125 $ 11,299 $ 149,424
Andrew Shostack Contract Administrator $ 143,133 $ 4,625 $ 147,758
Charlie Bergman Mgr, Air Safety & Ops $ 142,968 $ 4,282 $ 147,250
Kelly Collie Emp Dev & Comm Coord $ 143,850 $ 2,207 $ 146,057
Lee Veid Supervisor, Applications $ 145,607 $ 0 $ 145,607
Terry Saturday Sr Contr Administrator $ 137,865 $ 7,726 $ 145,591
Jack Parrack Enrolled Actuary $ 141,749 $ 3,146 $ 144,895
Ken Cooper Asst Dir Representation $ 131,651 $ 11,847 $ 143,498
Marie Schwartz Manager, Communications $ 137,492 $ 5,191 $ 142,683
Joan Gallahan Mgr, Memb & Council Srvs $ 142,236 $ 309 $ 142,545
Bill Despins Lead Economic Analyst $ 128,759 $ 13,619 $ 142,378
Percy Toop Contract Administrator $ 127,122 $ 13,873 $ 140,995
Jan Steenblik Technical Editor $ 136,676 $ 3,246 $ 139,922
David Hannah Contract Administrator $ 133,971 $ 4,641 $ 138,612
Peter Janhunen Manager, Communications $ 136,746 $ 1,485 $ 138,231
Linda Rafii Sr Benefits Specialist $ 132,763 $ 5,334 $ 138,097
Trai Nguyen Sr Network Integrator $ 135,624 $ 969 $ 136,593
Brent Milligan Enrolled Actuary $ 130,764 $ 5,517 $ 136,281
Kelly Hardy Sr Gov Affairs Spec $ 135,836 $ 0 $ 135,836
Mike Cranford Sr Systems Integrator $ 135,680 $ 0 $ 135,680
Helen Wong-scruggs Systems Analyst $ 135,544 $ 0 $ 135,544
John Mazor Sr. Communications Spec $ 135,236 $ 67 $ 135,303
Chris Mccarthy Manager, It Op&services $ 131,905 $ 300 $ 132,205
Joe Bracken Sr Staff Engineer $ 130,442 $ 1,588 $ 132,030
Rod Gardner Supv, Network Sys&ser $ 130,954 $ 660 $ 131,614
Amy Alperi Lead Economic Analyst $ 128,960 $ 1,994 $ 130,954
Marcia Eubanks Lead Economic Analyst $ 118,811 $ 11,873 $ 130,684
Michael Huhn Sr Accident Inv Spec $ 129,091 $ 1,335 $ 130,426
Wayne Klocke Contract Administrator $ 129,277 $ 1,098 $ 130,375
Daniel Froehlich Contract Administrator $ 123,751 $ 4,941 $ 128,692
James Andresakes Sr Security Specialist $ 126,867 $ 1,798 $ 128,665
John Gaiser Sr Benefits Specialist $ 126,412 $ 0 $ 126,412
Neal Davis Contract Administrator $ 121,703 $ 4,612 $ 126,315
Hong Lee Sr Data Admin Analyst $ 125,866 $ 0 $ 125,866
Cynthia Holloway Hr Administrator $ 125,843 $ 0 $ 125,843
Bert Leger Contract Administrator $ 108,952 $ 15,943 $ 124,895
Tom Kilpatrick Contract Administrator $ 119,483 $ 4,687 $ 124,170
Michael Welsh Contract Administrator $ 122,438 $ 1,620 $ 124,058
Bob Hall Staff Engineer $ 122,236 $ 1,681 $ 123,917
Richard Parker Analyst/programmer $ 123,814 $ 0 $ 123,814
Jan Briel Director, Human Resources $ 122,209 $ 904 $ 123,113
Elaine Grittner Sr Mec Benefits Spec $ 122,558 $ 382 $ 122,940
Janie Miller Systems Analyst $ 121,542 $ 224 $ 121,766
Steve Corrie Sr Staff Engineer $ 119,131 $ 2,102 $ 121,233
Paul Girdany Contract Administrator $ 117,047 $ 2,964 $ 120,011
Julie Glass Attorney $ 119,022 $ 766 $ 119,788
Andrea Griffith Supervisor, Accounting $ 119,411 $ 57 $ 119,468
Daniel Orfield Contract Administrator $ 116,354 $ 2,966 $ 119,320
Marta Wagner Attorney $ 118,616 $ 523 $ 119,139
Lisa Noyes Supervisor,pub Services $ 118,165 $ 130 $ 118,295
Lap Nguyen Systems Analyst $ 117,041 $ 0 $ 117,041
Mark Kovach Supv General Accounting $ 114,654 $ 0 $ 114,654
Christopher Brown Contract Administrator $ 111,306 $ 2,486 $ 113,792
Mike Carney Manager, Real Estate $ 112,568 $ 1,142 $ 113,710
Tina Savopoulos Systems Analyst $ 113,287 $ 0 $ 113,287
William Dengler Sr Support Serv Analyst $ 113,000 $ 0 $ 113,000
Mark Angolia Comm Production Spec $ 99,747 $ 13,037 $ 112,784
Anthony Brown Systems Analyst $ 112,399 $ 0 $ 112,399
Rebecca Rong Analyst/programmer $ 111,961 $ 99 $ 112,060
Pam Quayle Supv, Meeting Planning $ 110,350 $ 785 $ 111,135
Pierre Huggins Staff Engineer $ 109,390 $ 1,082 $ 110,472
Rick Kessel Staff Engineer $ 109,653 $ 644 $ 110,297
Sherry Taylor Benefits Specialist $ 106,174 $ 2,862 $ 109,036
Andrew Brenner Contract Administrator $ 105,017 $ 3,481 $ 108,498
Jan Redden Mgr, Gov Bodies Support $ 107,392 $ 127 $ 107,519
Tyler Home Supv Membership Services $ 106,865 $ 225 $ 107,090
Karen Browne-fleck Sr Benefits Specialist $ 92,338 $ 14,375 $ 106,713
Mark Cato Staff Engineer $ 101,968 $ 4,243 $ 106,211
Karen Madkour Travel Specialist $ 104,774 $ 1,203 $ 105,977
Jennifer Crichton Supervisor, Accounting $ 105,115 $ 0 $ 105,115
Eric Iverson Contract Administrator $ 101,111 $ 3,862 $ 104,973
Troy Englert Sr Economic Analyst $ 103,172 $ 1,637 $ 104,809
Melanie Howey Supervisor Mec/lec $ 101,426 $ 2,954 $ 104,380
Blair Donovan Operations Analyst $ 104,094 $ 224 $ 104,318
Michael Fredericks Security Specialist $ 102,533 $ 1,664 $ 104,197
Bill Ford Design/production Editor $ 103,380 $ 679 $ 104,059
Corey Stephens Staff Engineer $ 101,265 $ 2,580 $ 103,845
James Moody Sr Communications Spec $ 103,777 $ 0 $ 103,777
Richard Bartsch Sys Integrator/analyst $ 98,975 $ 3,888 $ 102,863
Daniel Ryan Systems Integrator $ 101,563 $ 243 $ 101,806

 

[becket]

So, how does Valujet determine your seniority if not by your longevity? How was your list put together if not by longevity. Every other union in this world assigns seniority by your DOH. Just the PFT generation sees it different.

M

Correction. The PFT crowd and the FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM see it differently.

Binding is Binding....despite 3.5 years of unabated tantrums and tears from the East.