TWA Lawsuit

[charlie2]

You're not paying attention. "Crappy representation" doesn't even come close to describing what Woerth and his cronies did. "Crappy representation" doesn't win DFR trials.So what? Do you disagree with RLA seniority disputes being sent to arbitration when the sides can't agree?I know you're just baiting but I'm genuinely curious to know what the heck you're talking about.

What councelor is your precise definition of "crappy"?

 

[TWA Dude]

My definition is irrelevant. Ask the jury in Camden, NJ.

 

[100 c.i.]

My definition is irrelevant. Ask the jury in Camden, NJ.

Amen, we won and now we seat back and wait for the check in the mail. Who cares what others think, ALPA will be B.K. in a year anyway..........

 

[C-150ETOPS]

So what? Do you disagree with RLA seniority disputes being sent to arbitration when the sides can't agree?

Yes I disagree. I've seen enough arbitrator product to know the risk of using them. The only time I would agree is if the merge is with another company with similar age demographics, little system overlap and a similar type of aircraft mix.

TWA wasn't it.

The problem I saw with using an arbitrator would be his inability to see or even legally use the past historical AMR behavior regarding dismantling of previous short haul routes as in AirCal, Reno and transfer of flying to Eagle. He'd probably rule on what existed that day which wasn't going to exist in the future.

 

[TWA Dude]

Yes I disagree.

I see that now. We're just very different people. I want every integration to be as fair as possible to both sides and you want what advantages only you. You must be so proud.

 

[Sandhawk]

I see that now. We're just very different people. I want every integration to be as fair as possible to both sides and you want what advantages only you. You must be so proud.

He would make a great USAPAian....

 

[TWA Dude]

The transcript of the trial is now available. All 3350 pages and 30mb.

Go here http://www.stlouislaw.com/
and click on the link on the lower right corner.

 

[ualdriver]

The transcript of the trial is now available. All 3350 pages and 30mb.

Go here http://www.stlouislaw.com/
and click on the link on the lower right corner.

Thanks for that.

 

[Kalifornia]

I see that now. We're just very different people. I want every integration to be as fair as possible to both sides and you want what advantages only you. You must be so proud.

Kinda a lame statement from an America West FO. If the East got it's way with date of hire, they would have totally screwed you guys. But in the end, all the victors went to your side, the east got screwed. It certainly wasn't fair.

 

[TWA Dude]

Kinda a lame statement from an America West FO. If the East got it's way with date of hire, they would have totally screwed you guys. But in the end, all the victors went to your side, the east got screwed. It certainly wasn't fair.

What "victors" would you be referring to? What standard of fairness are you applying?

 

[Kalifornia]

What "victors" would you be referring to? What standard of fairness are you applying?

You've already lost your credibility. A traditional legacy carrier and a low cost carrier combined. Probably more far more race to the bottom types at America West (e.g. : Mesa) than Airways. Like I said, DOH would have been a windfall for them, but clearly you guys were pleased with the results, and they are super pissed. Uneven results. As for TWA and AA, you may have been wronged by certain individuals, but the results had little to do with level of representation. Your personal greed along with other TWA types comes across as you should awarded a gigantic sum as compensation. Did you also spill coffee and expect Mcdonalds to give you a couple million? ALPA is not nameless, faceless corporation, it's other pilots.

 

[TWA Dude]

Like I said, DOH would have been a windfall for them, but clearly you guys were pleased with the results, and they are super pissed. Uneven results.

The arbitrator clearly explained his reasoning for why he ruled the way he did. You're free to disagree with him but one side being more angry than the other isn't relevant in any way, shape or form.

As for TWA and AA, you may have been wronged by certain individuals, but the results had little to do with level of representation.

The trial transcript is now available for viewing. Please read it so you can see how full of crap your opinion is.

Your personal greed along with other TWA types comes across as you should awarded a gigantic sum as compensation.

Sad how some can't distinguish justice from greed.

ALPA is not nameless, faceless corporation, it's other pilots.

This I agree with. I don't think you made the point you intended.

 

[CHIEEEEFS]

@TWA Dude
08-24-2011, 17:45
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[bpapaDC8]

Opinions...everyone has got one.

 

[Kalifornia]

The arbitrator clearly explained his reasoning for why he ruled the way he did. You're free to disagree with him but one side being more angry than the other isn't relevant in any way, shape or form.The trial transcript is now available for viewing. Please read it so you can see how full of crap your opinion is.Sad how some can't distinguish justice from greed. This I agree with. I don't think you made the point you intended.

That just clears it up. Every judgement in every case in every court room or arbitration is always fair and balanced and a slam dunk correct just call. In your own situation, ALPA outstanding perfect, great, suburb, give em in atta boy when it comes to getting the result you desired in the US Airways/America West mess. Those East guys are mad men. But in the case of TWA, ALPA, bad, bad ALPA. What makes me pissed off, is not that you guys sued in the first place, or expecting some kind of penalty or justice. It's the mindset of, we're going to bankrupt the entire umbrella of present day ALPA, let's take every other pilot to the cleaners whether they had anything to do with the mess or not, which of course 99 percent did not. I'm sure you're all for slavery reparations also. Seems to me some are expecting billions and billions and billions in damages. I'd also have sympathy for the Mcdonalds infamous hot coffee case if the damages we're for medical and a reasonable additional amount. Guess pain and suffering really isn't that bad when luxury auto manufactures keeps adding new features to their vehicles. Canadian Airline First Air is part of ALPA. They just had a fatal crash. Are you going to seek compensation from their survivors? What dollar amount is your lawyer group craving here?

 

[Neubyfly]

That just clears it up. Every judgement in every case in every court room or arbitration is always fair and balanced and a slam dunk correct just call. In your own situation, ALPA outstanding perfect, great, suburb, give em in atta boy when it comes to getting the result you desired in the US Airways/America West mess. Those East guys are mad men. But in the case of TWA, ALPA, bad, bad ALPA. What makes me pissed off, is not that you guys sued in the first place, or expecting some kind of penalty or justice. It's the mindset of, we're going to bankrupt the entire umbrella of present day ALPA, let's take every other pilot to the cleaners whether they had anything to do with the mess or not, which of course 99 percent did not. I'm sure you're all for slavery reparations also. Seems to me some are expecting billions and billions and billions in damages. I'd also have sympathy for the Mcdonalds infamous hot coffee case if the damages we're for medical and a reasonable additional amount. Guess pain and suffering really isn't that bad when luxury auto manufactures keeps adding new features to their vehicles. Canadian Airline First Air is part of ALPA. They just had a fatal crash. Are you going to seek compensation from their survivors? What dollar amount is your lawyer group craving here?

You are ALPA. Where was your anger at the way APLA treated the TWA pilots? Did you let your MEC or ALPA national know that you were in full support of the TWA pilots? You didn't? Then you ARE partially responsible for the way YOUR union misrepresented the pilots that once founded your union.

 

[TWA Dude]

What makes me pissed off, is not that you guys sued in the first place, or expecting some kind of penalty or justice. It's the mindset of, we're going to bankrupt the entire umbrella of present day ALPA, let's take every other pilot to the cleaners whether they had anything to do with the mess or not, which of course 99 percent did not.

You need to ignore the message board bluster. The purpose of our lawsuit is to right a wrong. It's not realistic to expect ALPA to go bankrupt or even to assess its members. (Might want to check the C&BLs; might not even be allowed.) They're insured and there's still a lot of litigating to go before there's any talk of checks being cut.

 

[Kalifornia]

You need to ignore the message board bluster. The purpose of our lawsuit is to right a wrong. It's not realistic to expect ALPA to go bankrupt or even to assess its members. (Might want to check the C&BLs; might not even be allowed.) They're insured and there's still a lot of litigating to go before there's any talk of checks being cut.

That's a fair response and I can agree with your sentiment.

 

[Raoul Duke]

when does the damage trial start?

 

[ualdriver]

So is there any section of the court case transcript now published that is a "smoking gun" type read where the DFR failure is really clear in the testimony? I plan on starting to read it from the beginning tonight, but am not beyond jumping ahead to the interesting parts