Lowered mins are here.

[on autopilot]

Just to let everyone know, Eagle and PSA have lowered thier minimums to 500tt or less depending on experience and 50 hours or less multi engine. How low will it go? I say give it 3 months or less. No, you won't find it posted officially yet, but both companies have confirmed it. No new pilots comin up at the pilot mills right now.

 

[Metro752]

You won't have people at 1500 by August 2012 unless they hit the line, today. Even then that's being VERY optimistic.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

You won't have people at 1500 by August 2012 unless they hit the line, today. Even then that's being VERY optimistic.

Think of it this way...when they get online they're going to be worked so hard they'll resign before 2012 OR they'll just barely have 1500.

 

[SLUF4]

surely they will get grandfathered in somehow

 

[CX880]

surely you can't be serious.

 

[AMT_842]

Its August 2013.

 

[on autopilot]

surely you can't be serious.

I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

 

[Jar Jar]

There is no 1500 hour rule.

 

[higney85]

There is no 1500 hour rule.

We have a winner... although I would seriously *hope* we have an ATP rule (1500 and/or other mins) in the bill. There would obviously have to be a timeline to achieve it and a carveout agreement to allow those with under the ATP min to be able to get it in short order from the carriers. It can be applied much like the "SIC" type when conducting a PC. I don't have a personal issue with a 250 hour guy, most of the time you won't even know unless he tells you or you specifically ask... BUT there needs to be something in place that makes sure EXPERIENCE is brought into the market place quickly. We have 250 hour guys flying fighters to protect our freedom, and we have 3K hour CFI's doing pattern work for years before they get hired. EACH has experience, but neither is tailored to the 121 world with their current experience backgrounds. Whether it's more OE, more "green lines" or the like; it needs to be done. You can believe or snicker at the "hiring wave" approaching, but the past shows that a lack of experience and thorough 121 familiarization (in the form of training) has cost many lives. Regs are written in blood; there is more than enough on the FAA's hands at this point.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah once the airlines show that having too high of a min requirement will cause a stoppage of air travel...it will not last long

 

[Metro752]

There is no 1500 hour rule.

There is most definitely a "1500 hour" rule.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

There is most definitely a "1500 hour" rule.

No, there is not.

 

[Metro752]

No, there is not.

Not surprising that you, Uncle Dunkle, would think there isn't. You also probably think they use purple unicorn blood to power the standby instruments in your barbie jet.

Here is the law on the GPO website in PDF format.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ216/pdf/PLAW-111publ216.pdf

Here is ALL ATPS website that explains it pretty well, and provides links.

http://www.atpflightschool.com/airl.../1500-hour-rule/1500-hour-rule-explained.html

 

[Hobiehawker]

There is a law not in effect until August 2013.

Now that seems to be the fact. Read all the material. Not just the beginning.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Not surprising that you, Uncle Dunkle, would think there isn't.

Not surprisingly, you edited your post a few above this once you realized what this conversation was about, you little dweeb.
You originally were complaining that a 500-hr. new hire would not be ready for the "1500 Hr. rule" by August. That is what I replied about, and quit wearing those ugly cowboy boots in the cockpit.

 

[CX880]

If the 1500 rule was in place today, there wouldn't be any pilots available, they can't even find pilots with 1000 now. How do regionals expect to have pilots with 1500 hours 2 years from now when there's going to be mass hiring at the majors indefintely?

 

[higney85]

if the 1500 rule was in place today, there wouldn't be any pilots available, they can't even find pilots with 1000 now. How do regionals expect to have pilots with 1500 hours 2 years from now when there's going to be mass hiring at the majors indefintely?

pfm.....

 

[Metro752]

Not surprisingly, you edited your post a few above this once you realized what this conversation was about, you little dweeb.
You originally were complaining that a 500-hr. new hire would not be ready for the "1500 Hr. rule" by August. That is what I replied about, and quit wearing those ugly cowboy boots in the cockpit.

It seems you have done similar, Bunkle. Leave my boots out of this. The rule of unintended consequences is that boots like the Ariat Roper get more attention, and thus you will see more of them.

I curse you with 100 new FOs wearing boots. Mmmm I love that western leather smell. If I flew with you I'd have a air freshner in my bag that gave off the deliciously sweet scent you so despise.

Giddy up!


http://www.zappos.com/ariat-heritage-roper-black~1

 

[glasspilot]

Metro, are you a chick? The link for the boot you provided goes to a page for ordering boots and they ask for "womens size" and "womens width"

So, are you a chick? I've never saw a female pilot wear boot before. And I've NEVER saw a male pilot wear womens boots either!

Here's the site you linked to, figured I'd post it in order to preserve it...

http://www.zappos.com/ariat-heritage-roper-black~1

 

[Metro752]

Metro, are you a chick? The link for the boot you provided goes to a page for ordering boots and they ask for "womens size" and "womens width"

So, are you a chick? I've never saw a female pilot wear boot before. And I've NEVER saw a male pilot wear womens boots either!

Here's the site you linked to, figured I'd post it in order to preserve it...

http://www.zappos.com/ariat-heritage-roper-black~1

No, but I suppose I owned myself on flightinfo once again. There's nothing else to do but admit it. :bomb:

Men's...... didn't look, sue me.

Nice catch!

http://www.zappos.com/ariat-heritage-roper-black~2

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

If the 1500 rule was in place today, there wouldn't be any pilots available, they can't even find pilots with 1000 now. How do regionals expect to have pilots with 1500 hours 2 years from now when there's going to be mass hiring at the majors indefintely?

You do realize that there is absolutely no way the 1500hr requirement will ever be implemented right? Two years leaves alot of time for lobbying by big business to get that whole thing thrown out. Even if it stays in the bill it will be smoke and mirrors, with tons of loop wholes which will make the entire thing useless. Where on earth will regionals find pilots with 1500hrs when they're hiring people with 500 already? With 52% of departures in the US flown by regionals air travel will stop with this bill. I know I know, pay more and you'll find people. This is America where profits far exceed in priority over safety or anything else. This 1500 hr thing will never happen. Its sad but true non the less. What congressman would want to be responsible for hundreds of canceled flight daily? Good luck getting reelected.

 

[on autopilot]

Yea, the regionals are hiring people with 500 tt or less, expect it to go even lower soon.

 

[atpcliff]

surely they will get grandfathered in somehow

The "grandfathering" has already been done. The Law was signed 1 Aug 2010, and Congress said the ATP requirement did not have to be met until 1 Aug 2013. That gave the airlines 3 years to get organized. I have not heard of any airline, especially the regional -121 carriers, who will be the most affected, doing anything at all to fix their looming hiring problems.

There is no 1500 hour rule.

That is correct. The requirement is for an ATP to be a -121 pilot. Currently, one of the ATP requirements is 1500 hours.

We have a winner... although I would seriously *hope* we have an ATP rule (1500 and/or other mins) in the bill.

There is no "hope", and there is no "in the bill". The LAW requiring an ATP to be a -121 pilot was signed by Obama on 1 Aug 2010. It is a done deal.

There would obviously have to be a timeline to achieve it

As mentioned above the airlines had 3 years to fix their upcoming hiring problems.

If the 1500 rule (really an ATP rule) was in place today, there wouldn't be any pilots available, they can't even find pilots with 1000 now. How do regionals expect to have pilots with 1500 hours 2 years from now when there's going to be mass hiring at the majors indefintely?

That is a VERY good question, and one that the airlines, and especially the regioinals, are currently ignoring, as far as I can see.

You do realize that there is absolutely no way the 1500hr requirement will ever be implemented right? Two years leaves alot of time for lobbying by big business to get that whole thing thrown out. Even if it stays in the bill it will be smoke and mirrors,

It is an ATP requirement, not 1500 hours. There is no "stays in the bill". The ATP requirement is a LAW, and it was put into place 1 Aug, 2010.

Based on the LAW, the requirements for the ATP WILL change. While they may lower the hour requirement, there will be additional requirements added on to the current requirements, as per Congress' LAW. It is 99% certain that getting an ATP after 1 Aug 2013, will be much more difficult than getting a Commercial License today.

cliff
SYD

 

[Flyerdan]

The "grandfathering" has already been done. The Law was signed 1 Aug 2010, and Congress said the ATP requirement did not have to be met until 1 Aug 2013. That gave the airlines 3 years to get organized. I have not heard of any airline, especially the regional -121 carriers, who will be the most affected, doing anything at all to fix their looming hiring problems.


That is correct. The requirement is for an ATP to be a -121 pilot. Currently, one of the ATP requirements is 1500 hours.


There is no "hope", and there is no "in the bill". The LAW requiring an ATP to be a -121 pilot was signed by Obama on 1 Aug 2010. It is a done deal.


As mentioned above the airlines had 3 years to fix their upcoming hiring problems.


That is a VERY good question, and one that the airlines, and especially the regioinals, are currently ignoring, as far as I can see.


It is an ATP requirement, not 1500 hours. There is no "stays in the bill". The ATP requirement is a LAW, and it was put into place 1 Aug, 2010.

Based on the LAW, the requirements for the ATP WILL change. While they may lower the hour requirement, there will be additional requirements added on to the current requirements, as per Congress' LAW. It is 99% certain that getting an ATP after 1 Aug 2013, will be much more difficult than getting a Commercial License today.

cliff
SYD

So what will the new ATP minimum (and 121 hiring minimum) be? I'm guessing that coming from a pilot mill with a jet course it will end up being around 500hrs.

 

[doh]

So what will the new ATP minimum (and 121 hiring minimum) be? I'm guessing that coming from a pilot mill with a jet course it will end up being around 500hrs.

It would be nice if it was 1,000 hrs. But I think 350-500 hrs is more accurate.

 

[dhc8ap]

With regards to the new 1500 rule, regionals are already running stats on what this will look like. They are running 2 forecast models, one for simple attrition and retirement and one for the 1500 hr rule to see where their FO's will be so that they can adjust hiring now. Where I see the problem, we have always relied on flight instructing to build time, but with a recession, not many people are taking lessons. So of the few that want to get there, it may take them a lot longer.

At present, it is my understanding that the 1500 is a hard line, no grandfather clause.

 

[Downwind]

If the 1500 rule was in place today, there wouldn't be any pilots available, they can't even find pilots with 1000 now. How do regionals expect to have pilots with 1500 hours 2 years from now when there's going to be mass hiring at the majors indefintely?

No, there are pilots. And with far more experience than 1000 or 1500TT. There just aren't experienced pilots willing to work for such low wages. I'll be more than happy to bring my 4000 hours and three types to Eagle just as soon as they pay a livable wage. Until then (never I assume), no dice.


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[pilotyip]

there is something in there about advanced training that can be used to reduce the 1500 rules, I am not sure what this is. Any thoughts anyone?

 

[doh]

Yip, like I said, 350-500 TT.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

there is something in there about advanced training that can be used to reduce the 1500 rules, I am not sure what this is. Any thoughts anyone?

I expect to see crap like this....

American Eagle Airlines is excited to announce that we have adjusted our new hiring minimum. American Eagles hiring goals are to hire over 670 pilots in 2011, and foresee hiring to continue into 2012. Our new minimums are as follows:

• 500 Total time with 50 hours multi-engine
• Successful completion of the hiring process
• Successful completion of ATP's Regional Jet Standards Course (Paid for by American Eagle Airlines)
• Two year signed commitment to fly for American Eagle Airlines

Pilots who currently have 800 total time and 100 hours multi-engine time will not be subject to completing the RJ Course or the two year signed commitment. Pilots interested in working for American Eagle should ensure their application is updated and published via airlineapps. If you have an application on file with us, please send an email to [email protected]
Sincerely,
American Eagle Pilot Recruitment Team