Pinnacle Staffing Cost 9E Pilots Fence Positions

[bri5150]

The contract we brought created more jobs on the 9E side. Should we not be able to bid to positions that we brought over in the merger?

 

[mesaba13]

exactly!

 

[DoinTime]

It looks like the fences came directly from the Mesaba SLI Proposal and will serve both groups well.

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.

The contract we brought created more jobs on the 9E side.

What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

 

[xjgearbtch]

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.




What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

I'm super happy with it. I wish the FO's were protected. Then it definitely would have fallen closer in line for Alpa Merger Policy.

Our contract causes 9E to require additional staffing on your fleets. Hence the original complaint of this thread.

 

[bri5150]

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.




What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

I can't remember the numbers, but it is a known fact that the contract requires a certain percentage more pilots than your old one. Did you go to a JCBA roadshow?

 

[DoinTime]

I can't remember the numbers, but it is a known fact that the contract requires a certain percentage more pilots than your old one. Did you go to a JCBA roadshow?

Nowhere in this agreement (or the prior Mesaba or Pinnacle agreements) does it mandate staffing numbers. Pinnacle is able to staff however Pinnacle wants.

 

[bri5150]

Nowhere in this agreement (or the prior Mesaba or Pinnacle agreements) does it mandate staffing numbers. Pinnacle is able to staff however Pinnacle wants.

Okay, I guess I need to hold your hand a bit. What were the min days off in your last contract? What are the min days off now? Does the amount of days off now require more pilots to cover flying because people have more days off? Seriously, last time you talked about the contract, you said it was nothing like Mesaba's old one, and now you are saying it doesn't require more staffing than your old one. Do you have any idea what you are talking about or do you just spew words on to the website hoping people will believe you?

 

[mesaba13]

Why will the fences be devisive? Also, there should not be much aruguement because the number are black and white.

I think they are great as they protect the 541 premerger 9E CRJ200 captain positions and also protect the 100 premerger XJ CRJ200 captain positions.

The same is true on the 900's. You basically keep the captain jobs that you brought to the merger. (XJ 272 and 9E 100)

Although XJ will get some intitial positions we will reach our 272/100 quickly and 9E will do great in time as their group is much younger and in the next five years we will see more attrition in their ranks than ever before. This should create a huge amount of movement for almost all.

 

[xjhawk]

That's okay your Merger committee tried to pad the list with guys who already left and then fudge DOH to the point of a 30# increase in seniority. They saw the writing on the wall and tried their best, with no common decency, to get you higher.

All XJ is guaranteed a 70+ change in seniority with the flow thru but Bloch didn't include that either. Everyone is equally pissed, sounds like a fair SLI to me. Move on, move forward. Vote XJ LEC CA & FO reps!!!!!!

yeah I like how in the union presentation they quoted three things that ALPA merger policy takes into consideration. Two of the three I remember are Longevity and career expectations. Funny because even if the saabs would have been taken, even with the lowered flow me and 71 other 2001-2004 hires would have stayed captains (maybe, maybe a slight bump as a FO for a short time)-but instead we are now Jr to some guys with 3-4 years longevity-have 500 people shoved in senior to us even though they should not have been.

So the way I see it I was not represented as ALPA defined how their merger policy was suppose to happen. Now I have no bidding power-no QOL-and broken expectations. Will ALPA do anything about it? NO was already the answer. SHAME SHAME SHAME on you ALPA. I am not anti ALPA-I just trust ALPA about as much as anyone else who has stabbed me in the back.

 

[xjhawk]

I am not anti ALPA-I just trust ALPA about as much as anyone else who has stabbed me in the back