First SLI thread of the day

[xjhawk]

Well if there are issues with the list being the same as what was ratified, the blame does not go on those who want a correct list. I also think the blame is not on Bloch-he is just reacting to disputed lists that do not correspond with what was presented before. Yeah I will admit I am a jack hole, lol. But on the flip side you MUST know that you and every one of your idiots over there who think this is an asset transfer or a staple scenario can kiss off. If Pinnacle would have presented a DOH as their final (DOH is best for more Pinnacle pilots than XJ pilots) none of this would be happening.

 

[Smarta$$]

now that is the pot calling the kettle black-was it not the pinnacle union who proposed 4 blocks, putting their entire pilot group in the first two blocks, and pretty much stapling the Colgan and Mesaba Saab guys? Since the proposal you guys made and all the jackhole (yes I am calling you and your fellow 9E) who have said to me and my fellow pilots that You bought us or that you were getting our jets and not our pilots-or that we would be offered jobs, or that we would be stapled, or offered 5:1 seniority etc etc.....I am changed my mind and think we should use the date of hire listed on your badge-I am not sure what was agreed on-but what I have heard is that there were substantial adjustments beyond start of training that benefited your pilots-I think that one standard is fair, the date you were hired and started class. But since everything most of your pilots, including your MEC is not fair, screw you. But in the end, it will be a bunch of Attorneys who decide on what is legal and what is fair.

Yeah, I never said any of that stuff. I said DOH across the board. Try again buttercup.

 

[bri5150]

New Mesaba MEC email says they hope to have the decision "very soon".

 

[Smarta$$]

Well if there are issues with the list being the same as what was ratified, the blame does not go on those who want a correct list. I also think the blame is not on Bloch-he is just reacting to disputed lists that do not correspond with what was presented before. Yeah I will admit I am a jack hole, lol. But on the flip side you MUST know that you and every one of your idiots over there who think this is an asset transfer or a staple scenario can kiss off. If Pinnacle would have presented a DOH as their final (DOH is best for more Pinnacle pilots than XJ pilots) none of this would be happening.

DOH is fine, it is what I have been asking for all along. But we need to have one consistent standard of when we are hired. We all started class on day one. Your MEC needs to stop demanding we use a different standard for us vs. the other two groups.

 

[xjgearbtch]

From what I have been able to gather, the XJ and Colgan merger committees have refused to acknowledge that PCL hire dates were moved to a consistent benchmark with their own in the JCBA. This dispute has tied Bloch's hands on producing a list.

Wait wait wait. Where is the proof to justify this accusation???? Where is the union email regarding this? I was at the joint union meetings held in MSP and saw them discuss the fact that 9E's seniority list would be changed to reflect their DOH to = first day of INDOC. I watched one of the 9E reps address all of their pilots in the room to please spread the word that a email would be sent verifying the data and every pilot needed to respond. This was in front of all the XJ & 9L reps. It was established long ago to ensure a equal standard. My point, who the hell made up this rumor??? I think this is a bogus speculation and you all are getting riled up over something that never happened.

 

[RJLoser]

New Mesaba MEC email says they hope to have the decision "very soon".

Seen that a few times over the last two weeks.

 

[xjhawk]

Yeah, I never said any of that stuff. I said DOH across the board. Try again buttercup.

I am not in on exactly what is happening but from what I hear is that there are inconsistencies with the Pinnacle seniority list and that is what is at question here. I think another matter might be that there is a definition of DOH by ALPA-a legal definition that might effect on how to determine Pinnacle's DOH. call me a jack hole but if you think you losing 3 months of seniority is worse that what I have heard from MOST of your pilots-not you in particular, but just random guys I have deadheaded with, talked with or heard on these boards-now that is a jack hole thing to hear.

I also must say what pinnacle proposed screwed over all but them. Mesaba's proposal should be looked very highly on by most pilots except some Jr XJ pilots, a few VERy senior 9E guys, and colgan FO's who would not be afforded a quick upgrade. But I must say this, the colgan CA's and their FO's have gained ALOT in QOL and pay by the new contract. I must also add that Colgan's captains will retain their positions and not many if ANY captains from MEsaba will go east or south to bid in Saabs (but maybe a few senior FO's will go to the Q )

SO if you want to talk who is offering the biggest screw job, just look at your pilot group and you will see that not only did your union propose a screw job of a deal for everyone else, but what your pilot group has in knowledge on what is happening or what other unions have proposed is screwy.

I thought that it would be fair to offer the pinnacle pilots a new adjusted DOH to reflect their first day of training-that was before I found out that your union wanted to screw a lot of Mesaba pilots and all colgan pilots, that was before I heard that some of your "adjusted" DOH dates were outright wrong (as per our union message), that was before I heard how many of your pilots to my face would say crap like "asset transfer and offer you jobs, 5:1, staple, you get furloughed while we hire and I upgrade, we bought you" SO NOW I AGREE, if the attorneys say their is language that says your DOH needs to be on your check ride, guess what? I will thank my union for screwing you-remember the old saying, "expect to be treated exactly how you treat others"

 

[Flyprdu]

...call me a jack hole...

You're a jackhole..

If you want to unjustly punish the Pinnacle pilot group over some half-heard rumor about the Pinnacle proposal, then you are exactly that.. a jackhole.

Enjoy your new title.

 

[CptMurf]

Here's the thing... To change the list at the endgame, although legal under the terms of the accepted negotiations, is tantamount to "Dirty Pool," The SLI committee was responsible to come up with a certified accurate list (not management), and the other SLI committees used that provided lists to come up with their proposals. I can understand that a mistake can happen, but when over 100 peoples DOH changes, it affects the entire integration method. Now this rumor has spread around 9E that XJ is not letting EVERYONE use their DOH is political misinformation of the situation at hand, is being propagated my some in the 9E MEC, and is totally false. The dispute was with some of these 100 individuals DOHs changing by as much as 8 months. Those types of changes need to be validated, and should have been when the first certified lists where shared at the beginning of negotiations. If anything, those affected individuals should be happy that this dispute arose, so that their DOH was adjusted to show accurate information.

So everyone needs to calm down and stop the name calling. I would hope that the list situation was not intentional, but if it was, then the only jackholes I see are the 9E SLI committee members.

 

[e=mc2]

In the end the award will say the Tallest Midget in the room is...............
CptMurf, XjHawk, or......

 

[bri5150]

In the end the award will say the Tallest Midget in the room is...............
CptMurf, XjHawk, or......

I think it's interesting that these type of comments come from a those that seem to be on the 9E "side" while the Mesaba side just presents their facts/opinions in more of an adult fashion.

p.s. Add my name to the tallest midget if ya like.

 

[CptMurf]

I think it's interesting that these type of comments come from a those that seem to be on the 9E "side" while the Mesaba side just presents their facts/opinions in more of an adult fashion.

p.s. Add my name to the tallest midget if ya like.

Can we say "midget" anymore? I didn't think that was PC.

Oh ********************, I guess I just said it. ;-)

 

[mesaba13]

I am now hearing from a reliable source that this did not just start as a Mesaba dispute and the arbitrator may be the one that opened this whole can of worms. ie. Mr. Bloch called all this into question when he got the updated lists and was very concerned over the new 9E list.

This concern for date of hire makes me think that DOH must have been at least part of his formula, otherwise he would not care about moving DOH's.

 

[ataopsdave]

I am now hearing from a reliable source that this did not just start as a Mesaba dispute and the arbitrator may be the one that opened this whole can of worms. ie. Mr. Bloch called all this into question when he got the updated lists and was very concerned over the new 9E list.

This concern for date of hire makes me think that DOH must have been at least part of his formula, otherwise he would not care about moving DOH's.

From what I've heard was that his concern was about the MOU pilots. When he went down the list he saw that their order on the seniority list was all out of whack because they were brought over to 9E out of seniority order. That is just one of the several issues he is still working out

 

[CptMurf]

From what I've heard was that his concern was about the MOU pilots. When he went down the list he saw that their order on the seniority list was all out of whack because they were brought over to 9E out of seniority order. That is just one of the several issues he is still working out

I don't know, but it seems to me one could have caused the other. Blotch raises questions about the MOU pilots over the weekend. Asks for updated lists on Monday, which once shared, raises concerns of other DOH's changing. XJ and 9L had the previous list for sometime, if they had concerns for that list, it would have already come out.

I just wonder if Blotch hadn't requested the updated lists, what would have happened to the guys affected. It's a very bad situation that was caused solely by the 9E SLI committee. Had they done their due diligence we would not be here. I'm happy the discrepancy came to light and we had the time to fix it before the ISL was published. But to blame the XJ SLI committee for disputing the list is asinine. It needed to be disputed to verify and fix the discrepancies in the 9E list, otherwise those 9E pilots would have paid the price.