SWA Makes emergency landing in Yuma AZ

[The Prussian]

"It's a Boeing Problem...." That's rich!

OBTW, the Jackhole above who posted Accident data? Could you research and find me how many times an explosive hole has appeared in a Delta 737? We have been flying them before you Herb Turds were a Wild Turkey stain on his business plan bar napkin.....

What's that? Never? Thought so.....

Show me!...B737-200's y'all acquired from Western Airlines??? Y'all been flying them before we Herb Turds were a Wild Turkey stain on his business plan bar napkin?...??? Show me...

 

[luckytohaveajob]

It is an accident when it happens once. It is a pattern when it happens twice.

Three times it should be criminal.

 

[SWA/FO]

To all you Southwest haters...... Enjoy, your time now. Go back to watching FoxNews....U all make me sick.

Hope this makes it official and you never consider a career here at Southwest Airlines, cus we don't want you. Oh' whats that, you don't want to work here? - You don't like maing money, you think your contract is better then ours $$ right.

Good, stay where you are

 

[Tripower455]

So was a different crack repaired on the airplane or the same crack that came apart? Or, are you saying the news is wrong that this airplane was previously repaired for a crack.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8050448

I'm saying that that airplane was one of the ones that has never been reskinned. AFAIK, if there was a repair, it was somewhere else on the airplane, and not where it ruptured.

Oh, and the news is USUALLY wrong about anything related to aviation..........

Are you a 121 pilot?

And our reskins are done in Greensboro AFAIK.

 

[islandhoper]

thats what you get for outsourcing your heavy mx to 3rd world countries.

Costa Rica my friend, is no 3rd World country. It is a nice FAA repair facility in which you find U.S carriers as well as European carriers doing maintenance. Maintenance facilities are all over the world and usually belong to one of the 15 companies that do it... all FAA and JAA certified. Why do we send planes there? Sometimes is the price, but most of the times is the "slot". Stop bashing central america or any other country when in fact they are all FAA approved facilities no matter where they are at. And yes, you find a Boeing/Airbus inspector on site in each one as well as leasing companies and airlines reps. that oversee the mx done.
This couldve happened out of Gainsville,FL as well as Latacunga, Ecuador. (Both have heavy mx services...)

 

[RJ Bum]

SWA airplanes have lot's of sheetmetal repairs, and most of the repairs are very poorly done. Boeing problem? They didn't build like that and they wouldn't repair them that way either. No one reputable would....

I would love to see any facts backing up your statement. Do you have a link, phone number, hell I'll pay for postage if you want to mail it.

But I'm guessing no....

 

[ivauir]

SWA airplanes have lot's of sheetmetal repairs, and most of the repairs are very poorly done. Boeing problem? They didn't build like that and they wouldn't repair them that way either. No one reputable would....

Typical.

Not accurate, but exactly what we've all come to expect from you.

 

[ivauir]

"It's a Boeing Problem...." That's rich!

OBTW, the Jackhole above who posted Accident data? Could you research and find me how many times an explosive hole has appeared in a Delta 737? We have been flying them before you Herb Turds were a Wild Turkey stain on his business plan bar napkin.....

What's that? Never? Thought so.....

So funny that 12 hours ago you were asking for someone to point out your hostile anti swa posts ...

Jackwagon

 

[Dan Roman]

Classy. The preflight of the Aloha airplane was IN DARKNESS and the crack was in the upper surface of the fuselage. The NTSB/FAA stated it was not reasonable to expect an exterior preflight would find it and they could never verify a passenger's comment after the accident that they saw a crack, for all they know it was bird doo-doo and they are making it what they want to believe it was. Way to slander a crew that flew an airplane to a safe landing with half the roof gone.

Well said. There is not an ounce of truth in Beetle007's post.

 

[Dan Roman]

Geez guys, you guys making this a SWA problem have your heads up your rear. It could happen to anyone. It did to Aloha, AMR has a huge maint facility in Tulsa and look at some of what has happened from there (hint MD 80, DC-10) DAL certainly had their fair share of issues in the 90's. The list goes on and on. We all live in glass houses and finger pointing is just going to set you up to eat crow.

 

[Beetle007]

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[Beetle007]

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[waveflyer]

I can't think of one transport category airframe that hasn't had serious problems of some kind-and the 737 is the most prolific airliner in history-
So Just relax- no one can say that Wn is unscrutinized in the last 5 years- our mx programs have been under the microscope by every authority possible- this'll get handled-

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

3 more jets....

hmmmm....must be a Boeing problem.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

[/LIST]
[/LIST]Looks like a Boeing problem to me! a/0:nuts:

What's that? An internal company memo? Come up for air...your Koolaid snorkel full of Luv is choking you out.....uke:

Another "report" says that an existing repair was found near the hole.

 

[Rough67]

SWA Returns 19 Inspected B737-300s to Service, But Two Show Cause For Repair
Cracks on Two Planes Require Additional Maintenance
The media feeding frenzy that started over this week's emergency landing of an elder Boeing 737-300 is likely to go on for a while. While the aircraft involved made a safe landing in Yuma after first descending at a rapid rate to get to a breathable ambient pressure, evidence continues to mount that this aircraft may have had visible issues prior to the actual failure. NTSB spokespersons have confirmed that the aircraft involved showed evidence of previous damage while two other SWA B737s (all of the 300 variant) were reported to require 'additional repairs.'



According to Southwest Airlines, their inspection of the 737-300 fleet revealed the following:

In cooperation with Boeing, an additional inspection program was set up for a subset of the Southwest 737-300. The inspection involved a non-destructive test (NDT) in the form of High-Frequency Eddy current of the aircraft skin. This test is designed to detect any subsurface fatigue in the skin that is not visible to the eye.
As of 4 p.m. Central time Sunday, 19 planes had undergone the intense inspection with no findings, and those planes have been returned to service.
In two other airplanes, the testing did detect small, subsurface cracks. Further evaluation and potential repairs will be necessary before those planes are returned to service.
Inspections of the remaining aircraft in the sub-fleet (79 total) will continue for the next few days. As inspections are completed with no findings, those planes will continue to be put back into service today and Monday. The airline anticipates completing the inspections by late Tuesday. The 79 aircraft designated for the additional inspections were designed differently in the manufacturing process.
Southwest continues its cooperation to the ongoing investigation being led by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) into the cause of the hole in the airplane which diverted to Yuma, AZ, on Friday, April 1.
Sunday, Southwest expects to cancel approximately 300 flights while the inspections are ongoing. Customers should continue to check flight status at www.southwest.com for any changes to their flights as a result of inspections and out-of-service aircraft.
Southwest continues to try and put a good spin on things with statements like, "I could not be more proud of our Maintenance and Engineering professionals who supported Boeing and the FAA in the establishment of these new inspection procedures," said Mike Van de Ven, Southwest's Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. "Boeing has since identified an inspection program for this section of the aircraft. Based on this incident and the additional findings, we expect further action from Boeing and the FAA for operators of the 737-300 fleet worldwide."


SWA B737-300

At the same time, SWA has had problems in this arena before and the cry for additional FAA oversight of this and other airplanes is increasing. Southwest notes that it operates a total 737 fleet of 548 planes and that "the fleet is constantly undergoing rigorous checks and inspections as directed by the FAA and Boeing, the aircraft manufacturer. These checks and inspections are dictated by number of cycles (a cycle is a takeoff and landing) and on a calendar basis as well."

"Our highest priority is the safety of our Employees and Customers," Van de Ven said. "Prior to the event regarding Flight 812, we were in compliance with the FAA-mandated and Boeing-recommended structural inspection requirements for that aircraft. What we saw with Flight 812 was a new and unknown issue. We regret any Customer inconveniences as a result of the inspections currently underway. Delays and cancellations are never the preference, however we are taking every precaution we can to ensure that our operation is safe."

 

[nimtz]

Yep this only happened at SW because of bad luck and poor construction by Boeing. No reason for suspecting any quality control problems in the quest to keep those low fares low.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/03/us-southwest-faa-idUSN0340389320080403

 

[Fly High]

On Fox News, Geraldo Rivera was being interviewed regarding a "Fire Fight" that he was caught in while covering the war story in Libya. He was asked what thoughts were running through his mind while being shot at. His answer was, "I thought, at least I am not on a Southwest Airlines Flight". OUCH!

 

[Groucho]

WFD - Widespread Fatigue Damage

[FONT=&quot]This incident will have a political impact. The FAA and congress have been dragging their feet, with help from the airline industry. This issue first came to public view with the Aloha Boeing 737 incident. Now it comes home to roost with the largest Boeing 737 operator in the US.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I hope they get it right this time. [/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]NPRM 06 -04 Aging Aircraft program:[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Proposed Rules[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]• 06-04 Aging Aircraft Program: Widespread[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fatigue Damage, Federal Register Vol. 71, No. 74[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Issued April 2006[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]• Proposed WFD Rule, if adopted, will require Type Certificate Holders (TCH) to:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Submit a Compliance Plan to the FAA within 60 days of rule becoming effective[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Complete WFD Assessments of major structural components[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Establish Operating Limits for the aircraft[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Provide service information for maintenance actions to preclude WFD (including effects of repairs)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]• Proposed WFD Rule – “The Issue”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Aircraft originally certified under FAA “Failsafe” criteria cannot meet Failsafe requirements at the onset of WFD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]– Inspection programs are not reliable enough to detect MSD/MED cracking of the size and density that would compromise structural integrity (i.e. fail-safety) in the event of a single Principle Structural Element (PSE) failure[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]See this web site: [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]http://www.federalregister.gov/arti...ng-airplane-program-widespread-fatigue-damage[/FONT]
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[Flopgut]

Typical.

Not accurate, but exactly what we've all come to expect from you.

How much sheetmetal work have you done?

I've done it. And I'm no longer on here bashing SWA every thread so you might consider that.

It's the one of the very few things that SWA does not do well. It's an easy fix, really. Top notch sheetmetal isn't too much more than average/poor. Just has to become an emphasis.

I don't think it would be entirely inappropriate for you to mention that to your SWAPA safety guys....

Edit: I'm checking out of this thread. I don't want to get caught up in some spat with you guys. I don't know that there are "SWA haters", so much as there are a group of SWA pilots on here that absolutely can not accept any critique or suggestion...

 

[DieselDragRacer]

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/12/20101214104637901849.html

This video is an hour long but explains how the fuselage sections made in KS are supposed to be CNC'd but are instead cut by hand (photo proof as well).

When the sections reach Boeing they don't fit/align so the sections are beat into place. Since the rivet holes don't line up new ones must be drilled. Oh and the sections lack some corrosion coating so Boeing grabs an aresol spray can of comparable color.

Yes, it's Aljazeera but the FAA, NTSB, Boeing and the Justice Dept have know about this for years. The Justice Dept was even nice enough to rat out the whistle blowers to Boeing.

 

[Kharma Police]

I can't think of one transport category airframe that hasn't had serious problems of some kind-and the 737 is the most prolific airliner in history-
So Just relax- no one can say that Wn is unscrutinized in the last 5 years- our mx programs have been under the microscope by every authority possible- this'll get handled-

DC-9 series, built like a tank. Southwest will love the 717.

 

[GuppyWN]

How much sheetmetal work have you done?

I've done it. And I'm no longer on here bashing SWA every thread so you might consider that.

It's the one of the very few things that SWA does not do well. It's an easy fix, really. Top notch sheetmetal isn't too much more than average/poor. Just has to become an emphasis.

I don't think it would be entirely inappropriate for you to mention that to your SWAPA safety guys....

Edit: I'm checking out of this thread. I don't want to get caught up in some spat with you guys. I don't know that there are "SWA haters", so much as there are a group of SWA pilots on here that absolutely can not accept any critique or suggestion...

Can't accept critique? That's a lot different than tossing a grenade saying our repair work, that happens to be designed by Boeing and sanctioned, observed and reviewed by the FAA is substandard.

Gup

 

[Amish RakeFight]

3 more jets....

hmmmm....must be a Boeing problem.

If this is a manufacturing (Boeing) problem, why hasnt anyone else grounded their variants for metal fatigue inspections.

 

[canyonblue]

To all you Southwest haters...... Enjoy, your time now.

I love seeing all the SW haters on this board, it validates the fact that we are kicking their ass :crying:. Everyone hates the Yankees too, just cant stand being beat by a better team. Keep on posting losers......:laugh:

 

[Tripower455]

If this is a manufacturing (Boeing) problem, why hasnt anyone else grounded their variants for metal fatigue inspections.

Are you sure that they haven't?

As soon as the "experts" on CNN, Faux etc. figure out that other airlines fly the SAME airplane, it might actually make the news. But SW bashing is so much more fun, right?

:edit: This 9http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/united_airlines_flight_makes_e.html)happened almost hours ago, yet we are still "breaking news" on Faux! :edit: United reall ought to take better care of their airplanes, right?

This is clearly a metal fatigue/manufacturing issue. It wasn't the result of an improperly installed part or the manner in which it was operated. In an effort to lighten up the airframe, Boeing changed the way they built the last versions of the -300 (which includes the aircraft being discussed). The enlarged the lightening holes on the inner panels, and changed the way that they were bonded to the outer panels.

Like every other airline, these aircraft are maintained and operated to standards set by Boeing and the FAA. Stuff still happens.

I am amazed at how some of you "professionals" are painting this incident. You should know better, but alas, this is FI.

 

[Tripower455]

How much sheetmetal work have you done?

I've done it. And I'm no longer on here bashing SWA every thread so you might consider that.

It's the one of the very few things that SWA does not do well. It's an easy fix, really. Top notch sheetmetal isn't too much more than average/poor. Just has to become an emphasis.

I don't think it would be entirely inappropriate for you to mention that to your SWAPA safety guys....

Edit: I'm checking out of this thread. I don't want to get caught up in some spat with you guys. I don't know that there are "SWA haters", so much as there are a group of SWA pilots on here that absolutely can not accept any critique or suggestion...

I've done my share of sheet metal work, and can't see your point. The sheet metal work done on the older SW 737s was done to correct a manufacturing defect (the roof peeling off). None have peeled off since, so I guess our "subpar" sheet metal work is doing alright.

Give me one example of lousy sheet metal work done on our aircraft. Other than fixing Boeing's mistakes, of course!


Critique is fine, especially when it's valid. This is not the case here. We have a bunch of guys jumping all over SW in response to the media blowing this way out of proportion. Every person walked off that airplane, and they're treating it like they did Valujet. Gotta love slow news days!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Like every other airline, these aircraft are maintained and operated to standards set by Boeing and the FAA. Stuff still happens.

You can have all the inspectors and written manuals you want in place. They're worthless if not followed properly. SWA has a documented problem with MX compliance and in particular, metal fatigue.

 

[Tripower455]

You can have all the inspectors and written manuals you want in place. They're worthless if not followed properly. SWA has a documented problem with MX compliance and in particular, metal fatigue.

We've been under very close scrutiny by the feds for years. Yet this still happened. Why do you think that is?

 

[ivauir]

You can have all the inspectors and written manuals you want in place. They're worthless if not followed properly. SWA has a documented problem with MX compliance and in particular, metal fatigue.

Provide a source or put a sock in it..