Fuel prices up and Delta Saabs stay

[bri5150]

Who bought Big Sky?

See WMUSIGPI's avatar.

 

[DoinTime]

Nobody, when Mair holdings failed to use them to bust the Mesaba union and contract, Mair simply sold off their assets and payed out the shairholders and ceased to exist.

Looks like at some point in your life you thought that the Mesaba you work for bought Big Sky.

I'm guessing most of these guys are moaning about the FO payscales. Yes for 900 and even 200 fo's we are below average thanks to the "blended payscale" However the Saab fo's are well above industry average. Of course nobody wants to mention that... Personally I think the blended payscale is a lousy deal, but that boat sailed in 96 when I was still in college. Getting that removed was a priority in the 2004 contract until the screwjob whipsaw of buying Big Sky and threatening to give all the flying to them came along. Priorities shifted to scope being a bigger deal (and proved its worth during the scam bankruptcy). Also everyone forgets while Comair was voluntarily giving up pay in the hope of getting E170's (that ended up at Shuttle America anyway) Mesaba did NOT give ANYTHING up to get awarded the 20 CRJ-200s back in 2005. Granted thanks to the scam bankruptcy we never got 18 of those. Not to mention the pay cuts we took were forced because of a crooked judge and judicial system. We did keep almost everything in the work rules and got the snapback provisions on our pay (which are taking effect right now)
Remeber our pay + workrules (while still far from perfect) still would beat the crap off of Mesa Pay +$10 and their workrules.....

 

[gojo]

Looks like at some point in your life you thought that the Mesaba you work for bought Big Sky.

What Wmusigpi wrote is correct. Again it's apples to oranges in this situation. Just like the LOA of 1998 or whenever it was. If we remained separate companies and management whipsawed us against each other, then it would apply, but were ONE companie now. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.

 

[suupah]

WOW. Welcome back to your sh*tty job at Mesaba, now you get to commute to LGA to sit reserve on the Saab.

That depends. Hopefully this ISL thing gets figured out soon and they can bid something else. there are a lot o folk who want an LGA base in the combined company

 

[Ridgeback]

Just ran into my Delta buddy...CP during base visit told him no hiring this year. MD-90's are slow to get certified...they look to keep Saabs for the lift and fuel prices..

 

[suupah]

Mesaba Airlines had a lot more career expectation than pinnacle. You should not be gloating about how pinnacle bought Mesaba and that they should be stapled. Furloughed or not there are many Mesaba pilots who went there over pinnacle because of career expectations. The flow through being the biggest factor in giving ALL Mesaba pilots higher career expectations than any other pinnacle pilot.

In an industry where oil is playing a huge role, who really saved who? Mesaba who is brining 41 crj900s with a Saab fleet that might not be as dead as everyone thought because of its fuel efficiency, or pinnacle who operates 120 or more crj200s which will be out the door ASAP. Even Colgan brings more opportunities for flying than pinnacle airlines with their Q400's.

Just because Pinnacle holdings shares the name with Pinnacle airlines, does not mean your airline bought Mesaba. Mesaba airlines, Colgan airlines and Pinnacle airlines, are all under the same holdings company, get off your pinnacle airlines high horse because they are bringing the most liability to the table with this merger.

Unfortunately large RJ flying in the future of the regionals, add to that turboprops that can replace 50 seat flying and Pinnacle airline pilots are lucky that they aquired both Colgan and MEsaba, not the other way around.

Being a CJC pilot, it kills to me to hear what a windfall we got with this contract as if we brought nothing to the table. This company brought as much if not more, long term, to the table than anyone else, because of the future we had laid out in front of us which has already and will continue to benefit everyone in the combined group.

MESABA pilots are getting recalled into saab positions formally flown by CJC in deals and relationships established by CJC. How much Usairways flying did Mesaba fly before this acquisition? Did they even have any at risk arrangements before this? Right there is an example of the value that CJC brought to the table, and I am certain that is just the beginning of what is to come with CJC flying for United, Continental and USairways not to mention the new stuff coming with other codes for the Q.

 

[gojo]

Being a CJC pilot, it kills to me to hear what a windfall we got with this contract as if we brought nothing to the table. This company brought as much if not more, long term, to the table than anyone else, because of the future we had laid out in front of us which has already and will continue to benefit everyone in the combined group.

MESABA pilots are getting recalled into saab positions formally flown by CJC in deals and relationships established by CJC. How much Usairways flying did Mesaba fly before this acquisition? Did they even have any at risk arrangements before this? Right there is an example of the value that CJC brought to the table, and I am certain that is just the beginning of what is to come with CJC flying for United, Continental and USairways not to mention the new stuff coming with other codes for the Q.

Just for the record, it's not the Mesaba pilots saying this

 

[bri5150]

Just ran into my Delta buddy...CP during base visit told him no hiring this year. MD-90's are slow to get certified...they look to keep Saabs for the lift and fuel prices..

Anyone have an official announcement of this? So far it's all rumor.

 

[flyn96]

Oh, please no! That's the most uncomfortble POS I have ever ridden on. The rock hard seats, noise, and the seatback velcro pulling my hair out is just unbearable.
All that and being imprisoned on board for about ten minutes after landing until they feel it safe to let you off this bucket of bolts is simply unbearable. These things need to be turned into razor blades asap.

When folks surf orbitz for 7 hours trying to save 8 dollars, they will take their turbo props and like them!

 

[Ridgeback]

Anyone have an official announcement of this? So far it's all rumor.

As much of a rumor as anything on this board but I did just have lunch with him last week and what he told me could be correct.

1. Delta hired off the street and took flows last year...since then they have parked dc9's and their step child MD-90's are still being held up by the feds = too many pilots.

2. Upset in the Mid-East and improving economy at home is creating a huge demand for fuel = need to stay in markets.

3. 22 more crj200's parked this year (per Richard Anderson)

4. The Saab Leases had a ONE time early out that happened in 2010-2011. Delta too it, now they can Pinniacle err Mesaba can negoiate their own rates and Delta can get them off their books...

5. All makes sense from an accountants point of view...not so much from a pilots...

It looks like there is strong evidance to suggest that Delta is infact keeping the saabs

ALSO Mesaba Recalls ALL furloughed pilots in One Shot...