Fuel prices up and Delta Saabs stay

[On Your Six]

Well as of this moment none of the companies have any furloughs, so that no longer is an issue.

If there were any at the announcement of the merger, they will likely be at the bottom of the list via arbitration.


OYS

 

[CptMurf]

No offense to you, but furloughs deserve to be on the bottom of the SLI. It's the whole "career expectation" thing in arbitration. Like the Midwest Express guys who were furloughed were basically stapled to the bottom of the SLI at Republic.

I doubt you would say the same if you were one of the furloughees.

 

[LearLove]

No offense to you, but furloughs deserve to be on the bottom of the SLI. It's the whole "career expectation" thing in arbitration. Like the Midwest Express guys who were furloughed were basically stapled to the bottom of the SLI at Republic.

So in another 10 to 15 years when you have 15 years at your company and they sell/merge your aircraft to a "partner airline", lay you off, give your job to a kid that is in the 6th grade right now, and "tac" you on to the bottom of the list it will be OK, right?

What goes around comes around.....

 

[AiRegency]

So in another 10 to 15 years when you have 15 years at your company and they sell/merge your aircraft to a "partner airline", lay you off, give your job to a kid that is in the 6th grade right now, and "tac" you on to the bottom of the list it will be OK, right?

Yep. Them's are the breaks. Welcome to the industry.

 

[DoinTime]

So in another 10 to 15 years when you have 15 years at your company and they sell/merge your aircraft to a "partner airline", lay you off, give your job to a kid that is in the 6th grade right now, and "tac" you on to the bottom of the list it will be OK, right?

What goes around comes around.....

So you think its fair for people who don't bring a job into a merger to get equal treat with those that do bring a job? Someone on here said it before, seniority integration is a fixed quantity. In order for one pilot to do better, someone else has to do worse.

 

[Yodafly]

The recall should not affect SLI. Its a snapshot on date of purchase. Any changes that happen after that point are not considered. AKA Colgan new hires changing the relative position of the colgan pilots for the better.

 

[callowayhd]

No offense to you, but furloughs deserve to be on the bottom of the SLI. It's the whole "career expectation" thing in arbitration. Like the Midwest Express guys who were furloughed were basically stapled to the bottom of the SLI at Republic.

Mesaba Airlines had a lot more career expectation than pinnacle. You should not be gloating about how pinnacle bought Mesaba and that they should be stapled. Furloughed or not there are many Mesaba pilots who went there over pinnacle because of career expectations. The flow through being the biggest factor in giving ALL Mesaba pilots higher career expectations than any other pinnacle pilot.

In an industry where oil is playing a huge role, who really saved who? Mesaba who is brining 41 crj900s with a Saab fleet that might not be as dead as everyone thought because of its fuel efficiency, or pinnacle who operates 120 or more crj200s which will be out the door ASAP. Even Colgan brings more opportunities for flying than pinnacle airlines with their Q400's.

Just because Pinnacle holdings shares the name with Pinnacle airlines, does not mean your airline bought Mesaba. Mesaba airlines, Colgan airlines and Pinnacle airlines, are all under the same holdings company, get off your pinnacle airlines high horse because they are bringing the most liability to the table with this merger.

Unfortunately large RJ flying in the future of the regionals, add to that turboprops that can replace 50 seat flying and Pinnacle airline pilots are lucky that they aquired both Colgan and MEsaba, not the other way around.

 

[altimaklr]

Ya except the 9E CR2's are some of the newest in the world and are under contract til at least 2018. When the last delta CR2 flight lands it will more than likely be a Pinnacle plane. Next?

 

[DoinTime]

Just because Pinnacle holdings shares the name with Pinnacle airlines, does not mean your airline bought Mesaba. Mesaba airlines, Colgan airlines and Pinnacle airlines, are all under the same holdings company, get off your pinnacle airlines high horse because they are bringing the most liability to the table with this merger.

Who bought Big Sky?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Who bought Big Sky?

Nobody, when Mair holdings failed to use them to bust the Mesaba union and contract, Mair simply sold off their assets and payed out the shairholders and ceased to exist.

 

[bri5150]

Who bought Big Sky?

See WMUSIGPI's avatar.

 

[DoinTime]

Nobody, when Mair holdings failed to use them to bust the Mesaba union and contract, Mair simply sold off their assets and payed out the shairholders and ceased to exist.

Looks like at some point in your life you thought that the Mesaba you work for bought Big Sky.

I'm guessing most of these guys are moaning about the FO payscales. Yes for 900 and even 200 fo's we are below average thanks to the "blended payscale" However the Saab fo's are well above industry average. Of course nobody wants to mention that... Personally I think the blended payscale is a lousy deal, but that boat sailed in 96 when I was still in college. Getting that removed was a priority in the 2004 contract until the screwjob whipsaw of buying Big Sky and threatening to give all the flying to them came along. Priorities shifted to scope being a bigger deal (and proved its worth during the scam bankruptcy). Also everyone forgets while Comair was voluntarily giving up pay in the hope of getting E170's (that ended up at Shuttle America anyway) Mesaba did NOT give ANYTHING up to get awarded the 20 CRJ-200s back in 2005. Granted thanks to the scam bankruptcy we never got 18 of those. Not to mention the pay cuts we took were forced because of a crooked judge and judicial system. We did keep almost everything in the work rules and got the snapback provisions on our pay (which are taking effect right now)
Remeber our pay + workrules (while still far from perfect) still would beat the crap off of Mesa Pay +$10 and their workrules.....

 

[gojo]

Looks like at some point in your life you thought that the Mesaba you work for bought Big Sky.

What Wmusigpi wrote is correct. Again it's apples to oranges in this situation. Just like the LOA of 1998 or whenever it was. If we remained separate companies and management whipsawed us against each other, then it would apply, but were ONE companie now. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.

 

[suupah]

WOW. Welcome back to your sh*tty job at Mesaba, now you get to commute to LGA to sit reserve on the Saab.

That depends. Hopefully this ISL thing gets figured out soon and they can bid something else. there are a lot o folk who want an LGA base in the combined company

 

[Ridgeback]

Just ran into my Delta buddy...CP during base visit told him no hiring this year. MD-90's are slow to get certified...they look to keep Saabs for the lift and fuel prices..