The Greatest Windfall in the HISTORY OF AVIATION!

[StaySeated]

The final list is out.

It is epic in a number of ways.

If figured if we are going to have a thread on the subject, we might as well have an accurate title.

Good luck RJET, you are going to need it.

 

[Flyer1015]

What just happened? Who got screwed? Give details!

 

[wmuflyguy]

from another board

The first 962 positions on the IMSL were filled with the first 650 Republic
pilots and the first 312 Frontier pilots, in a ratio of 650:312, beginning with a
Republic pilot.

The next 1,155 positions on the IMSL were filled with the next 700 Republic
pilots, the remaining 334 Frontier pilots and 121 Midwest pilots, in a ratio of
700:334:121, beginning with a Republic pilot.

Nothing else really needs to be said.

The 312 Frontier pilots referenced in the first tier were existing F9 captains. The 334 Frontier pilots referenced in the second teir were existing F9 FO's.

There is no logical explanation for the 650 and 700 RAH pilots. It is impossible to match the number of RAH pilots in the Final Award to a certain number of airframes or pilot positions.

Seven year fence on the Airbus/replacement narrow body is the only "win" for FAPA. Eichen essentially lengthened LOA 39 by three years and added some improved language for replacement aircraft.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

WOW. Unbelievable. Sorry to hear it guys. I know I'm somewhere WAY down at the bottom...haven't seen it yet. Waiting on the email now I guess.

 

[cale42]

Most importantly from my standpoint.. simply interesting from others standpoint. Arbitrator opted to put an effective date on it.

60 days from the day of ruling in Single Transportation System.

 

[StaySeated]

Most importantly from my standpoint.. simply interesting from others standpoint. Arbitrator opted to put an effective date on it.

60 days from the day of ruling in Single Transportation System.

Interesting and impossible to enforce. What happens on the 61st day when there is no CBA? (Other than three lawsuits....)

"Branded" operation falls apart with this award, they will not be able to train/hire fast enough.

 

[cale42]

Interesting and impossible to enforce. What happens on the 61st day when there is no CBA? (Other than three lawsuits....)

"Branded" operation falls apart with this award, they will not be able to train/hire fast enough.

I'm sure the source documents will be sent out shortly.. but it specifically says regardless of status of CBA it will be effective 60 days after the NMB decision. It state that regardless of representation or CBA it will be effective.

Your right, difficult to enforce, but there will be lawsuits if it isn't I suspect.

cale

 

[The Drizzle]

Well, at least we can let the real ugliness begin.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Interesting about the "in effect" date. Granted, I personally will be surprised if the NMB does grant STS to the whole operation.

EDIT: So is it supoosed to go into effect 60 days after the NMB ruling regradless of the outcome or only if they find an STS?

 

[sluggo]

The final list is out.

It is epic in a number of ways.

If figured if we are going to have a thread on the subject, we might as well have an accurate title.

Good luck RJET, you are going to need it.

Please explain how its "epic" in a numbers of ways?

Good luck RJET... Please explain? I look at it as good luck F9, bone up the resume son.

 

[markminus100]

Interesting and impossible to enforce. What happens on the 61st day when there is no CBA? (Other than three lawsuits....)

"Branded" operation falls apart with this award, they will not be able to train/hire fast enough.

Since RAH technically doesn't need the "branded" ops I guess it doesn't matter, then does it?

 

[[email protected]]

And BB was complaining about a 7% fuel burn increase on the Airbus fleet. Just wait and see what it goes up to now!

 

[sluggo]

And BB was complaining about a 7% fuel burn increase on the Airbus fleet. Just wait and see what it goes up to now!

LMFAO, HeeHee

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

And BB was complaining about a 7% fuel burn increase on the Airbus fleet. Just wait and see what it goes up to now!

lol that's funny right there.

 

[pilotyip]

And BB was complaining about a 7% fuel burn increase on the Airbus fleet. Just wait and see what it goes up to now!

is that the professional's approach?

 

[Mike man]

it seems pretty fair to me...if it pisses everyone off it did its job. I'm just glad Joe P (RAH #3) got bumped down a spot.

7 year fences of 175 and above and 320...

 

[djsk]

And BB was complaining about a 7% fuel burn increase on the Airbus fleet. Just wait and see what it goes up to now!

I'm sure the guys on the fixed fee side of rjet will gladly continue to fund your hooliganism.

 

[DHPFLYN]

is that the professional's approach?

Brian is that you?? wait couldn't be you. You must be in church thanking god for telling you how to run such a $hitty operation !!!

Stop being such a pu$$y order as much gas as you can and run that crap up !!!!

 

[B727FA]

is that the professional's approach?

Apparently.

 

[B727FA]

I'm just glad Joe P (RAH #3) got bumped down a spot.

How did he get bumped down? He's SR to any F9 driver.

 

[Cardinal]

EDIT: So is it supoosed to go into effect 60 days after the NMB ruling regradless of the outcome or only if they find an STS?

The way I read it, it goes into effect 60 days after the NMB rules, regardless of their finding.

 

[Cardinal]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

 

[Cardinal]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

 

[Yankee301]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

7 year fence.

 

[F9 A319]

Award ¶ C.:

The IMSL (Appendix A) shall become effective for purposes of the second sentence of DRA §V (g) and applicable for purposes of the first sentence of DRA §V (j) on the sixtieth (60th) day following the date of the National Mediation Board rulings and certification referenced in DRA §V (g), unless an earlier date is agreed upon by the designated pilot representative and the single carrier.

DRA §V (g):

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

It is just plain stupid to burn more gas and cost what is now our company money because you disagree with the Arbitrator’s decision. Your increased fuel burn will not keep Eischen awake at night and RAH Management is not responsible for Eischen’s decision.

Nothing has changed yet. Breath, relax, THINK before reacting. I’m sure all parties have their most brilliant people digesting this and we’ll all get their take on it in the following days.

 

[Cardinal]

7 year fence.

After you've read all 49 pages we can have an intelligent discussion.

"For the period of seven (7) years, beginning with the first bid period after the date on which the seniority integration becomes effective, Frontier Pilots will have priority for all CA and FO jobs on Airbus 320 family aircraft"

What happens when there is a vacancy, genius?

 

[SizzleChest]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

The arbitrator didn't see it as a screwing per se... here's an example....

One can take no satisfaction in validating the hard cold fact that no reasonable

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

 

[Cardinal]

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

You used the word "if", not Eischen. The NMB will rule, the award becomes effective 60 days afterwards. The NMB may rule however they like, but the need not find an STS in their ruling to start that clock.

But I'm no laywer.

 

[TheJCNIs]

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

Wow! I feel sick which is weird because I usually feel good after being fu@ked!

 

[Flying the Line]

So, is this republic winning, or relative seniority prevailing regardless of the situation.