Gary Kelly's ATN Comments at Message To The Field

[dicko]

Cheers Vato's

• Bob Dylan
• flynvixen
• orangebellyav8r

So, you're saying that you put yourself on your own ignore list ?

Genius

 

[Lear70]

I think the guy is a jerk also but I think you owe him an apology for that statement. Now Lear70 will suspend me for calling his friend a jerk.:

1st, I don't moderate SWA/AAI threads.

2nd, yes it was an extremely obnoxious comment by OrangeBellyAv8tor, completely uncalled for, and it got him suspended.

3rd, no Cometman, despite your extremely aggressive and rude PM, it wasn't me. You can clearly see WHO deleted the posts (CLR4THEAPCH). I've been flying since 0625 this morning, 12 hour duty day, 7.5 hours of flying, just got to PHL a couple hours ago, haven't been on FI all day...

YOUR post was deleted because it QUOTED the offensive language in OrangeBellyAv8tor's post. That's it. We've clearly (and repeatedly) told people NOT to quote offensive language because we don't have the ability to EDIT posts, we can only delete the whole post or an entire thread. That means if YOU quote someone's offensive language in your reply, your reply gets deleted, too.

Hope that clears up any confusion you might have.

 

[redflyer65]

A little observation....it does seem to me the SW guys are a bit more militant on here. Ty wants to keep his seat....wouldn't you?

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

1-higher pay
2-fly any schedule I wanted
3-better QOL
4-better medical
5-better retirement

I would sign up in a heartbeat. But it sounds like they want all of the above and to keep every CA seat. Sounds like a windfall.

And the arbitor will see it that way.

 

[dicko]

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

I would sign up in a heartbeat.

You do understand that nobody believes that ..... ? Least of all yourself.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

A little observation....it does seem to me the SW guys are a bit more militant on here. Ty wants to keep his seat....wouldn't you?

not necessarily. i've got a buddy who's a tranny capt and lives in dallas. i'm a mid-level swa f/o. we both know how much each other makes, me more than him. he said he would be happy with a staple:
1. no more atl commute
2. more $$$
3. more flexibility
4. eventually he will be able to drive to work, right now, will never be an option
5. better sched (although with the combo of the two companies who knows what/how lines will be written)
6. NOT airtran mgmt
7. better overall qol

if i were at a company that had such strong support to strike i don't care what seat i'm in, with the list from above, left or right i'd take it.

 

[redflyer65]

You do understand that nobody believes that ..... ? Least of all yourself.

I have absolutely no ego to sit in the right seat and throw gear if I got all of the above. Are you kidding me?

Tell me then where I got it wrong.

 

[PapaWoody]

Hey Gup,

I thought the junior Captain at SWA had been with the company for 9.5 years ?

I'm not trying to be particular. Nor am I ignoring the vagaries of seniority, bases and the internet. If a pilot at SWA is a FO after 11 years wouldn't it be for QOL needs ?

Cheers

For the most part you are right, D, but there were a few Lance Captains that got stuck in the right seat when the music stopped a couple of years ago (age 60 combined with putting the skids on growth out of the blue). The junior CA is a '01 hire, but not sure what the most senior FO's hire date is.

Cheers,
PW

 

[dragontamer]

Fence the ops as long as it takes to come to a mutual (ie. both unions agreeing) agreement....Trannies can keep their seniority on their routes, with their pay & QOL. SWA pilots can keep their seniority, pay & QOL on their routes. Air Tran can keep their wonderful culture and SWA pilots can keep theirs. It's a win-win. I enjoy flying with guys who feel privileged and happy to have started as number LAST at a great company. I'll vote for the necessary SWAPA-SWA waivers.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm a 10th year CA.

I know when you were hired.

The most junior SWA Captain was hired almost 4 YEARS before you got hired at your dream job.

Just sayin',
Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Gup,

I thought the junior Captain at SWA had been with the company for 9.5 years ?

I'm not trying to be particular. Nor am I ignoring the vagaries of seniority, bases and the internet. If a pilot at SWA is a FO after 11 years wouldn't it be for QOL needs ?

Cheers

Hi Dicko,

Almost. The most junior Captain is 34 days from starting his 11th year. By the time ALPA realizes that SWA doesn't control the Process Agreement he'll be in his 11th year. By the time there is a combined seniority list he could be in his 13th year.

Gup

 

[waveflyer]

You do understand that nobody believes that ..... ? Least of all yourself.

One thing I've noticed is how many on the air tran side blatantly covet the captain seat....??
That fourth stripe doesn't pay your mortgage and it's usually the captain who ends up with the "fat one"

The whole "seat" argument is seriously regional thinking and stinks of greed.

Or does it stem from a long history of life being fairly crappy in the right seat at AT? Where you really do need the left seat to have a good life?

If so, please realize how good life is here asan FO-
Captain will be great when it happens, but don't get trapped by thinking that the 30-38% payraise will change your life so much that you absolutely must have it.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Interesting turn of events. I would bet Gary Kelly was up late double checking plan B. "Muse Air" solution. I guess we need a bunch more new hire flight attendants in the near future.

You’ve asked and wondered about it—and now it’s a reality: the Flight Attendant position will be posted soon for external applicants!Please let your family and friends know that we will be posting the Flight Attendant position on southwest.com on Monday, February 14. The posting will go up at 12:00 noon (Central Time) and will only be posted for a very short time. If you know of anyone that is interested in being a Flight Attendant for Southwest, please inform them there will be a very limited timeperiod during which to apply.

attendants to picket in Atlanta
Atlanta Business Chronicle
Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 4:48pm EST
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. ..AirTran Airways flight attendants have a message to get out on Valentine’s Day, but it isn’t an expression of love.

Represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA), the flight attendants will picket in six cities over six weeks due to “management's continued stalling of contract negotiations,” the union claimed.

Their protest starts on Feb. 14 at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. It ends April 1 in Baltimore. If a tentative agreement is not reached by then, picketing will continue in six additional cities, the union said.

"While we do not want to have to take our struggle to the street, our Flight Attendants deserve fair work rule improvements now," said Stephen Grimaldi, AirTran flight attendant and AFA chairperson of Flight Attendant Mobilization, in a statement. "Management has been dragging their feet for too long - enough is enough."

AirTran (NYSE: AAI), the second-largest carrier out of Atlanta’s airport, is in a pending merger with Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV).

AirTran Airways flight attendants have a message to get out on Valentine’s Day, but it isn’t an expression of love.

Represented by the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA), the flight attendants will picket in six cities over six weeks due to “management's continued stalling of contract negotiations,” the union claimed.

Their protest starts on Feb. 14 at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. It ends April 1 in Baltimore. If a tentative agreement is not reached by then, picketing will continue in six additional cities, the union said.

"While we do not want to have to take our struggle to the street, our Flight Attendants deserve fair work rule improvements now," said Stephen Grimaldi, AirTran flight attendant and AFA chairperson of Flight Attendant Mobilization, in a statement. "Management has been dragging their feet for too long - enough is enough."

 

[stalker]

Just read a message from swapa that GK told the ATN MEC to pound sand on there requested meeting with him! So much for dragging the process agreement out to try and take part in our transition agreement between swa and swapa!

 

[scoreboardII]

even I wouldn't use the term "pound sand", more like "I don't care, I'll talk when we close".

 

[Bob Dylan]

Wow! I have never seen a more myopic group of pilots before reading some of the AirTran pilot comments on here.

My new prediction is that the AirTran pilots have gone from a negotiating position of a staple to the SWA list to now, a preferential interview at SWA for all Guadaluope Holdings pilots that have a 737 type rating. That's probably the best they will get now. Amazing!

Just watch and see.

 

[dh82dvr]

If swa fo's get to upgrade faster than they otherwise would have on account of this merger/aquisition then does that equal a windfall for those guys. Also if the qol, great pay and so on is the then what is the rush to the left seat?

Also, Bob you can pogue mahone dude, translated .... pucker up mate and staple your lips to my ar$e

 

[dicko]

I have absolutely no ego to sit in the right seat and throw gear if I got all of the above. Are you kidding me?

Tell me then where I got it wrong.

I absolutely agree with you regarding ego.

I'm talking about the seniority required to hold the seat. The seniority that protects you in bad times and the next merger.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree. If that's what you'd do in our position that's fine. Your Union would probably try to protect you from yourself if you ever have that choice to make. Like a good lawyer would.

We're not going to work it out here.

Cheers

 

[Ty Webb]

On face value, yes. Absolutely.
But we are not comparing two 'like' companies.

How about this..

If I were Ty and hypothetically put at the very top of the SW FO list to have..

1-higher pay
2-fly any schedule I wanted
3-better QOL
4-better medical
5-better retirement

I would sign up in a heartbeat. But it sounds like they want all of the above and to keep every CA seat. Sounds like a windfall.

And the arbitor will see it that way.

If being a senior FO is so great, I'm sure you won't mind staying one.

There, we've settled that.

 

[PapaWoody]

I absolutely agree with you regarding ego.

I'm talking about the seniority required to hold the seat. The seniority that protects you in bad times and the next merger.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree. If that's what you'd do in our position that's fine. Your Union would probably try to protect you from yourself if you ever have that choice to make. Like a good lawyer would.

We're not going to work it out here.

Cheers

I think the problem is we are talking about the "seniority" sufficient to hold the Captain's seat at the acquired carrier is not accompanied by the longevity to hold that same seniority and seat at the acquiring carrier. Couple this with the objective fact that the job at the acquiring carrier has always had greater career potential, quite possibly a career potential that the pilots at the acquired carrier would have never realized sans merger, and you see why SWA guys think that any talk of "relative seniority" is as ridiculous as AAI guys think the idea of a staple is. I think SWAPA can, and will, make an excellent case that anything approaching relative seniority would be a windfall at every SWA pilots expense.

However, I also agree that we aren't going to work it out here.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

PS Arbitrators do have a tendency to make allowances for guys to retain their seats (not always, but generally); however, that doesn't mean that they necessarily award the system seniority to maintain that seat indefinitely. That's what fences are for.

 

[Ty Webb]

not necessarily. i've got a buddy who's a tranny capt and lives in dallas. i'm a mid-level swa f/o. we both know how much each other makes, me more than him. he said he would be happy with a staple:
1. no more atl commute
2. more $$$
3. more flexibility
4. eventually he will be able to drive to work, right now, will never be an option
5. better sched (although with the combo of the two companies who knows what/how lines will be written)
6. NOT airtran mgmt
7. better overall qol

if i were at a company that had such strong support to strike i don't care what seat i'm in, with the list from above, left or right i'd take it.

Great! Another senior FO that is happy to stay an FO.

It looks like this isn't going to be so tough to solve, afterall.

Anyone else?

 

[Ty Webb]

I know when you were hired.

The most junior SWA Captain was hired almost 4 YEARS before you got hired at your dream job.

Just sayin',
Gup

Apparently, you don't know when I was hired. I was hired within a few months of your most junior OAK Capt., according to your seniority list.

 

[scoreboardII]

I think you confusing "happy to be an FO" with "don't want the captain payscale". Everyone wants the captain payscale. Captain seat? Who gives a fig, you can have that, just pay me my 12yr CA protected rate.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm not confusing squat. If they want to tout the life of leisure and luxury as a senior FO, let 'em enjoy it. Who am I to stand between them and all that? :beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Apparently, you don't know when I was hired. I was hired within a few months of your most junior OAK Capt., according to your seniority list.

Yeah I was thinking your most junior captain. You are a mid-level captain hired a couple months after 9/11.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah I was thinking your most junior captain. You are a mid-level captain hired a couple months after 9/11.

Gup

Actually, just before . . . but who's counting? :laugh:

 

[Bill Nelson]

Ty,

November is after September but whose counting. :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

I didn't realize who you wuz . . . . Sheesh.

Quit being such a ****************************** to your former, and soon to be again, brothers . . . . I think you owe me a case of that homebrew, home boy! :beer:

 

[Bill Nelson]

How's the homebrew going?

I'll buy the first round. It is customary for the captains to buy at SWA. :beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll buy the first round. It is customary for the captains to buy at SWA. :beer:

You can be the Captain when I'm in the lav. And on my days off . . . . That's a lot of days, so you'll actually be Captain more days than me.

 

[RedDogC130]

That is a bit funny

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