TWA pilot lawsuit

[swa737-700]

Does anyone have any updates on the status of the TWA pilots' lawsuit against alpo?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

What does it matter? If they win a large settlement ALPA, the one's (Dal, Ual, Fdx) that pay the bills will go inhouse. ALPA will be broke and won't pay a dime.

 

[swa737-700]

Don't want to get into a contest with you my friend. Just curious. I do like the idea of alpo going away.

 

[TWA Dude]

The final pretrial conference is scheduled for February 8th. At this conference the trial date should be given which could be by March.

 

[Full of LUV]

Don't want to get into a contest with you my friend. Just curious. I do like the idea of alpo going away.

I guess your right, with SWAPA doing such a fine job looking out for the future of the profession, age 65 and all..... I love the Johnny-come-lately ALPA slammers who work for a company that spent the better part of the 70's-90's slowly dragging down the pilot compensation through low rates, no pension, and no retiree medical care. After ALPA is forced to comply with the terms SWAPA has arranged for the profession through concessions at the hands of a BK court, airline failures, etc, then you come on here to chastise and belittle. Enjoy SWAPA's time at the top of the pax payscales, I sincerely hope it lasts your whole career, but just remember, your only #1 until your not.

 

[macdu]

Geesh..............bet your a lot of fun at the party.

 

[swa737-700]

First, if you think little ole SWAPA had the big hammer in the age 65 fiasco, you really are a SWA hater. I would think alpo had much more pull in that decision.
Next, I am a former alpo member, and so I feel I can let folks know how I feel about that pathetic organization. They did nothing for me or my fellow TWA pilots during the integration...except screw us. 'Nuff said.

 

[Full of LUV]

Geesh..............bet your a lot of fun at the party.

Hey I am actually. I don't hold a candle of disgust for anyone. By calling alpa alpo you show your level of discord. A union is made up of elected pilots from your own company so be it swapa or alpa they are no better than those who chose to get involved.
I don't know the details of this lawsuit but a union is a union so without alpa would the pilot profession really be better?
What if every company was nonunion? Would twa pilots been better off with a letter from the company saying sorry were bk here's where you file for unemployment? It's easy to be mad at alpa as the twa mgmt who really screwed the pooch are gone.

 

[Full of LUV]

First, if you think little ole SWAPA had the big hammer in the age 65 fiasco, you really are a SWA hater. I would think alpo had much more pull in that decision.
Next, I am a former alpo member, and so I feel I can let folks know how I feel about that pathetic organization. They did nothing for me or my fellow TWA pilots during the integration...except screw us. 'Nuff said.

First swapa held the candle of age 65 for years before ICAO and alpa decided to get on board.
If swapa only gets you relative sli is it going to be time to sue swapa? What if you get doh with aai is it time to call the lawyers? I suppose to you twa would have been better represented without any union, afterall didnt you elect twa alpa Mec reps? So didn't you vote in your "pathetic" alpa leadership? What did u do to make twa alpa better?

 

[swa737-700]

First swapa held the candle of age 65 for years before ICAO and alpa decided to get on board.
If swapa only gets you relative sli is it going to be time to sue swapa? What if you get doh with aai is it time to call the lawyers? I suppose to you twa would have been better represented without any union, afterall didnt you elect twa alpa Mec reps? So didn't you vote in your "pathetic" alpa leadership? What did u do to make twa alpa better?

Tell ya' what. When you get yourself educated on what REALLY happened to the former TWA pilots (due to alpo National and not the LEC), we will discuss. Until then you are only showing your ignorance (or disregard) of the facts.
If you really take the time to understand the facts of the aa/TWA situation, you will realize that your comments reference the AirTran merger are meaningless.

 

[dicko]

Tell ya' what. When you get yourself educated on what REALLY happened to the former TWA pilots (due to alpo National and not the LEC), we will discuss. Until then you are only showing your ignorance (or disregard) of the facts.
If you really take the time to understand the facts of the aa/TWA situation, you will realize that your comments reference the AirTran merger are meaningless.

You speak the truth.

A great pilot group. An Airline whose history included Lindbergh and Juan Trippe. Sold out by ALPA national in a vain attempt to lure Americans pilots into the arms of ALPA. The sky nazis from American didn't help. Ironically, their arrogance has come back to bite them.

A pilot group that perceives itself as so much better than another and tries to staple them. Sound familiar .... ?

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Tell ya' what. When you get yourself educated on what REALLY happened to the former TWA pilots (due to alpo National and not the LEC), we will discuss. Until then you are only showing your ignorance (or disregard) of the facts.
If you really take the time to understand the facts of the aa/TWA situation, you will realize that your comments reference the AirTran merger are meaningless.

When do you think you will get recalled to AA?

 

[Full of LUV]

You speak the truth.

A great pilot group. An Airline whose history included Lindbergh and Juan Trippe. Sold out by ALPA national in a vain attempt to lure Americans pilots into the arms of ALPA. The sky nazis from American didn't help. Ironically, their arrogance has come back to bite them.

A pilot group that perceives itself as so much better than another and tries to staple them. Sound familiar .... ?

Exactly, I'm not saying all that was done was true and pure. But the union is self serving in almost every instance and there is a much more fatalistic approach from ALPA national then the local members would like.
History has shown that whenever one group begins to think they are superior, they field always levels, unfortunately history has shown that it levels at a lower level.
Best of luck on this SLI, if SWAPA can truly pull it off without a pilot feeling they were screwed by their union, then I will be in awe of their leadership.

 

[FDJ2]

You speak the truth.

A great pilot group. An Airline whose history included Lindbergh and Juan Trippe.

Juan Trippe? And all this time I thought he ran Pan Am.

 

[PHXFLYR]

He did. I think what he meant to say was Jack Frye who was a Kansas City businessman and one of the original founders of Transcontinental Air Transport, later known as Trans World Airlines.


PHXFLYR

 

[tailwindz]

I guess your right, with SWAPA doing such a fine job looking out for the future of the profession, age 65 and all..... I love the Johnny-come-lately ALPA slammers who work for a company that spent the better part of the 70's-90's slowly dragging down the pilot compensation through low rates, no pension, and no retiree medical care. After ALPA is forced to comply with the terms SWAPA has arranged for the profession through concessions at the hands of a BK court, airline failures, etc, then you come on here to chastise and belittle. Enjoy SWAPA's time at the top of the pax payscales, I sincerely hope it lasts your whole career, but just remember, your only #1 until your not.

Amen. I cant ever remember reading words that ring so true. I am not slinging mud, just the facts man.

 

[swa737-700]

When do you think you will get recalled to AA?

Ace,

It really doesn't matter. I have no intention of jumping back into that quagmire.

 

[thruthemurk]

You probably never had any intention of leaving TWA either. It's a tough business and anyone who blames ALPA for all the forces aligned to take away power, pay and benefits from pilots should spend a little time "educating themselves about the facts".

Fact: TWA was robbed blind for over a decade by Icahn and others and was a mere shell of its former self. The contract sucked as did the route structure (compared to the glory days). This weakened condition led to the vulnerability that brings the sharks to the door. Whether or not there was any real viable option will not be known. I wanted to fly there since 1967 and was sorry to see them go, but blaming ALPA is a fools errand.

 

[75M]

Truth,

I don't think anyone is blaming ALPA for TWA not being around anymore. I think the gripe is that after 70 years of TWA pilots paying dues to ALPA, they really should have represented us better in the American SLI. Regardless of what you think the outcome would have been, I believe that they owed it to us to try.

 

[swa737-700]

You probably never had any intention of leaving TWA either. It's a tough business and anyone who blames ALPA for all the forces aligned to take away power, pay and benefits from pilots should spend a little time "educating themselves about the facts".

Fact: TWA was robbed blind for over a decade by Icahn and others and was a mere shell of its former self. The contract sucked as did the route structure (compared to the glory days). This weakened condition led to the vulnerability that brings the sharks to the door. Whether or not there was any real viable option will not be known. I wanted to fly there since 1967 and was sorry to see them go, but blaming ALPA is a fools errand.

The sharks are indeed alpo National, and no, I am not running a fools errand putting the blame squarely on alpo. That is precisely where it belongs and that is why the lawsuit against them has not been thrown out of court. Take your own advice and get educated. This is unbelievable. I give up.