Who's Flying Your Airplane? NO OUTSOURCING

[jbDC9]

Hmm, I started getting my private in 1991 and was hired by Northwest in 1996.

That's called being very, very lucky. The early to mid-90's was a really bad time to be looking for a flying job. In my case, in 1991 I was a freight dog hauling checks with a coupla thousand hours; in 1993 when I got my first commuter 1900 gig I had almost 5,000 hrs. Hired at CO in 1997. It wasn't as easy-breezy as you make it sound.

But, regarding Joe, all I hear there is blah blah blah, me me me... yawn.

 

[nimtz]

That's called being very, very lucky. The early to mid-90's was a really bad time to be looking for a flying job. In my case, in 1991 I was a freight dog hauling checks with a coupla thousand hours; in 1993 when I got my first commuter 1900 gig I had almost 5,000 hrs. Hired at CO in 1997. It wasn't as easy-breezy as you make it sound.

But, regarding Joe, all I hear there is blah blah blah, me me me... yawn.

You forget Joe's favorite chorus; ME, ME, ME, ME....'what a pathetic loser i am'

 

[bluefin]

Our business model depends on major airlines, including Delta and United, electing to contract​

with us instead of operating their own regional jets. Some major airlines, including Delta, American
and Alaska Airlines, own their own regional airlines or operate their own regional jets instead of
entering into contracts with regional carriers. We have no guarantee that in the future our code-share
partners will choose to enter into contracts with us instead of operating their own regional jets. Our
partners are not prohibited from doing so under our code-share agreements. A decision by Delta or
United to phase out code-share relationships and instead acquire and operate their own regional jets
could have a material adverse effect on our financial condition, results of operations or the price of our​

common stock.


Again, taken from 2009 skywest annual report....

For regional guys, this would have me thinking twice about, "job security".

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

For regional guys, this would have me thinking twice about, "job security".

Job security is an issue through the whole regional list, and the bottom third of any major's list. That is the industry, you never know which way the the whipsaw turns... that is why we try to get to the top of a major's list, better job security. If you stay at a regional, you take your chances as a subcontractor, if you go to a major, your first bunch of years are at risk as well...

Yogi

 

[bluefin]

Just past my 10 yr mark, 7 yrs on the outside looking in!!! Can't find anything else.............

 

[Flopgut]

Just past my 10 yr mark, 7 yrs on the outside looking in!!! Can't find anything else.............

Hang in there. Scope will put you back to work and we'll know something in about 5 weeks. It's the top priority right now.

 

[Flopgut]

CAL Blastmail:

"138 Pilots On The Street Nov 29, 2010

350 pilots in Newark. 300 pilots in Houston. How many will be in Chicago on Wednesday at the United World Headquarters building as we take our message directly to management’s front door?
Our profession and our contract are under attack. Outsourced 70 seat jets, out of CAL hubs, flying CAL routes, with the CAL code are on CAL’s schedule right now for flights beginning in January.
This is not just an attack on our contract, but an effort by management to leverage a similar position at the bargaining table in the current JCBA negotiations. When asked what a United pilot thought about the scope relief that was taken in bankruptcy at United, he replied, “The lack of scope allowed outsourcing with 70 seat RJ’s which lead to the parking of the entire 737 fleet, causing the furlough of 1437 pilots. Any more questions?” That pretty much sums it up.
Our response to management on this issue must be clear, united, and resolved. Show up on Wednesday in Chicago, and be a part of sending our message to management: Outsourcing jobs to the lowest bidder stops here and now".

70 seat airplanes are only in the equation because the UAL pilots were desperately trying to save their A plan. Scope was looted by mgt in bk. That time has passed and it's time to re-instate scope to a 50 seat limit and get mainline pilots back to work.

 

[doh]

Flop, may I just add: and get regional pilots better jobs.:beer:

 

[Flopgut]

I'm not without sympathy for the regional pilots. But getting them an improved situation needs to be second to an improvement for mainline this time around.

doh: Earlier you used the word "plight" to describe Joe's endeavors. I think that was a poor choice of words. If his is a "plight", what word would you use to describe the reality for a longtime furlough from a mainline carrier? Regionals have only improved so much because things have gone so horribly for majors. Joe's battlecry is that the big egos at mainline carriers were too arrogant to fly small planes and that "it's [his] job now". That's not what is going on around the CAL 70 seat issue whatsoever. It wasn't arrogance and it's not something that has already passed. Hard work and sacrafice is what resulted in the CAL scope clause remaining strong. Mgt is blatanly trying to steal it and most of the regional pilots are cheering them on. I cannot believe that we have near zero support from regional pilots on the current issue who are supposedly union "brothers". But at the same time, mainline pilots must constantly be reminded to support regionals. Just like you just did to me.

 

[doh]

Flop, no such reminder intended. I was merely stating a much overlooked fact. To wit, mainline pilots negotiating flying back to mainline is a defacto benefit to regional pilots. If it was a reminder at all, it was a reminder to regional pilots. So whether you intend to support them or not, you are. Carry on in the effort.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Yes I PFT....That was the only way out of flight instructing in the early 90s...Had to get that seniority number y'know....

Yes I supported RJDC...However it wasn't to "get on Delta's list"....It was to prevent my union from negotiating against me....DFR and conflict of interest issues....

No. PFT was not the only way to advance from flight instructing in the early 90's. You sell-out cowards that PFT'd were in the minority.

Don't you worry about me Mr. Boxjockey...I'll be fine....

I'm preparing myself for the fight.....Game on.....

ooooh! we're all so scared! Are you going to fight like you did for the RJDC? Where are they now?

You're a self-aggrandizing ego-maniacal doofus.

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, no such reminder intended. I was merely stating a much overlooked fact. To wit, mainline pilots negotiating flying back to mainline is a defacto benefit to regional pilots. If it was a reminder at all, it was a reminder to regional pilots. So whether you intend to support them or not, you are. Carry on in the effort.

You made a good point and I missed it. Sorry, you're exactly right.

 

[CiFIknow]

No. PFT was not the only way to advance from flight instructing in the early 90's. You sell-out cowards that PFT'd were in the minority.



ooooh! we're all so scared! Are you going to fight like you did for the RJDC? Where are they now?

You're a self-aggrandizing ego-maniacal doofus.

Pay no mind to Joe. He is over on the Regional board lobbying the XJT guys to strive for an "average" JCBA with the ASA/XJT merger. He is afraid if we ask for too much then he will lose his job. He must live like a chipmunk or squirrel...always wondering when his job is going to be taken by the next predator. Wether it be the majors reigning in scope or Mesa underbidding. He knows he has no power in either scenario. But yet, he makes threats as if he does. Must be a nervous guy.

I, for one, hope to move on and up and support your fight to retain scope. I'm pretty tired of being on the strings of the puppet masters and would like to actually plan long-term with my career. As much as I would like to, I know I can't in my current position. Someday I hope to be with an airline where I can.

 

[doh]

You made a good point and I missed it. Sorry, you're exactly right.

I take a longer view than most on this issue because I'm no longer directly affected. I realize that some of the older guys at the regional will find it hard to start over, but the elimination of the negative affect of bargaining fractionalization far outweighs that. We are seeing some of the regionals starting alter egos, with separate operating certificates, for the sole purpose of undercutting the pilots who your management used to undercut you. That goes away if you bargain your flying back in house. That is another benefit, not just to regional pilots, but to the profession as a whole. Indirectly, you are helping us corporate pilots as well. More bargaining power equals better contracts equals better compensation packages for us to keep us from defecting to the airlines. A long view indeed, but true nonetheless. Again, please carry on! :beer:

 

[bluefin]

I would love to be in ORD today and protesting!! One problem, my home airport at one time was served with 57's, buses, and F^&*(NG 737's and now is just FU%^*(% 50 & 70 seat PI$%&^ of SH*& and over sold, FU%^ you guys!!!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

For regional guys, this would have me thinking twice about, "job security".

I would love to be in ORD today and protesting!! One problem, my home airport at one time was served with 57's, buses, and F^&*(NG 737's and now is just FU%^*(% 50 & 70 seat PI$%&^ of SH*& and over sold, FU%^ you guys!!!

Then how/would you commute? C'mon blue, meet us out there, dress warm!!!

Yogi

 

[bluefin]

I don't commute cause I am an unemployed/furloughed, bitter former pilot. I only have travel bennies when the flights are open!!!!! thats why!!

 

[N2264J]

How are you suppose to "work with" that type pilot?

Indeed.

The United and Continental Pilots Engage In MISInformational Picketing

The pilots first fallacy is "outsourcing”. The fact is that the pilots’ union, ALPA, has played a major role in creating the labor Ponzi scheme that survives at the legacy airlines. Over the past 15 years, how did ALPA find a way to pay mainline pilots more? By agreeing to allow another group of pilots to fly where mainline flying is no longer economic and to be paid less to do so in order to buy “better” contracts for the mainline pilots they represent.

 

[mesaserf]

FYI Mesa is in negotiations with United for additional flying that could happen as soon as we come out of bankruptcy early next year.

Strange times.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Your profile indicates that you are corporate...Why the obsession with me?

Yes I PFT....That was the only way out of flight instructing in the early 90s...Had to get that seniority number y'know....

No loser boy, that's not how you get that seniority number, of course when you lack the sheer ability to pass an interview, the next best thing is to buy your job. You were also too young and stupid to think of suiing someone back then.
There are plenty of people, myself included, who got hired without having to buy their job.

Yes I supported RJDC...However it wasn't to "get on Delta's list"....It was to prevent my union from negotiating against me....DFR and conflict of interest issues....

Sooooo....Suiing for this amount was for a DFR??

h. as to the claims set forth in Count VIII, such sum as may be determined
at trial, but in no event less than the sum of Two Million Dollars
($2,000,000.00) each.

i. as to the claims set forth in Count IX,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

j. as to the claims set forth in Count X,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million Dollars ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each, plus the cumulative sum of One
Hundred Million ($100,000,000.00) as exemplary and punitive damages.

k. as to the claims set forth in Count XI, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) each.

l. as to the claims set forth in Count XII, such sum as may be determined at
trial, but in no event less than Two Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

m. as to the claims set forth in Count XIII,
such sum as may be determined at trial, but in no event less than Two
Million ($2,000,000.00) Dollars each.

Never had another interview...Never applied anywhere since I was hired at ASA 17 years ago...Don't know where you got that misinformation from...

Why bother to interview, the rjdc promised you girls you'd all be millionaires. How'd that work out for ya?:laugh:

You sound bitter, yet you are corporate....What is your problem?

You sound------>:crying:. You also sound scared, you should be, your job is about to be outsourced to the lowest bidder! Watchout for those darn low paying regional replacement pilots........