Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[roughneck]

No, its in the TA language and the section 1 changes will have no bearing on SWA or the SLI.

 

[ivauir]

It's disappointing to see the confrontational attitude by so many SWA pilots on FI, but message boards always attract the radical fringe from every pilot group.

Really? That is pretty one sided don't you think?

On top of the ridiculous flamesbait posted by some of your brethren we have draconian, one way moderating.

There is a lot to be disappointed by.

 

[27 driver]

$400 million in synergies. Ya he sure will dismantle that. GK doesn't work for the pilots. He works for the share holders. He will follow the $. He decided that this was a good deal and publicly stated that the employees come with the deal. It's just that simple. Any pilot or pilot group that thinks they control this deal is disillusioned.

 

[roughneck]

The gates in ATL are worth more than $400M every year. SWA doesn't need AT operating to see the $$$ so I don't think it is a concern for the investors.

 

[texman]

Guy's! I like what I am seeing here. What I see is two pilot groups with a lot of pride. With that pride, let's take it to the next level and use that energy to talk about the positive side of the whole acquisition = merger. I will start with two.

1. Growth.

2. Airtran guy's and gal's get to enjoy what we have built and vice versa.

 

[ivauir]

3. An Airline that will kick Delta's buttocks.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

4. You don't have to worry about running into General Lee in Lubbock.

 

[SWA/FO]

5. Tranny's hot FAs?

 

[texman]

5. Avg 2,000 retirements coming, in the next ten years
6. Hawaii ( so some of are old guy's can enjoy before they head out door.)
7. More expansion in the Caribbean and way down south.
6. Expanding in smaller cities out west. ( By the way can the 717 make second segment climb out of ASE?)
8. Denver as a new base in the future.


Endless positive possibilities.

 

[texman]

3. An Airline that will kick Delta's buttocks.

And a guarantee 50% ticket price drop in ATL, straight from GK's mouth.

 

[vixin]

So you're saying that your M&A Committee rep has told you that SWA will try to keep the operations separate if you don't get your way on SLI? Just want to be clear.

Where the heck do you get that from my little sentence. Man get off the pipe once in a while. Nice how you read things. I just like what they have told me, ALOT! Not very worried about how this will go one way or the other.

SWAPA needs to draft a side letter that states, SWA must sell all assets of an AQUIRED company, that is held by GH prior to 17 months. Sarcasm guys! I wonder if that SL would pass. We still would probably only have 40% participate in the vote though.

 

[ivauir]

No, it's not an assumption, it's a contractual requirement. He has 18 months to either combine the carriers or divest AirTran. It's not a choice.

Then I guess he'll have to divest - no way are they going to be able to get combined operations in 18 months.

You can put anything you want in a contract - enforcing it is another thing altogether (ever heard of iron clad "no furlough" language?)

So go ahead and file your grievance, bite the hand that feeds and see how Gary reacts. Or you could relax and enjoy the career altering change bestowed on you.

The fact that you guys are using USAirways' lawyer is not good news for anyone. He is known to take extreme and unrealistic positions and never move. I'm wondering if the extreme positions adopted by AII guys on this message board are the result of his coaching.

The result of these kind of tactics isn't a better deal - the result is career carnage.

 

[Lear70]

Really? That is pretty one sided don't you think?

On top of the ridiculous flamesbait posted by some of your brethren we have draconian, one way moderating.

There is a lot to be disappointed by.

Sure, which is why I banned one of our own AAI pilots last week. Draconian. One-way. Mmmkay.

To the person making personal attacks on a pilot who is allegedly part of the SWAPA MC, knock it off. I thought I had made it PERFECTLY clear that there would be no more of the personal attacks.

Next person who does it goes to the penalty box for a month.

p.s. PapaWoody, got your PM, you were absolutely correct, and the other person has been warned to knock it off.

/mod

 

[ATLplt]

5. Tranny's hot FAs?

Hahahahahaha! Now THAT'S the funniest post yet!

 

[General Lee]

5. Avg 2,000 retirements coming, in the next ten years
6. Hawaii ( so some of are old guy's can enjoy before they head out door.)
7. More expansion in the Caribbean and way down south.
6. Expanding in smaller cities out west. ( By the way can the 717 make second segment climb out of ASE?)
8. Denver as a new base in the future.


Endless positive possibilities.

Hey PALS, make sure you add that Volaris Codeshare..... And, Hawaii is not a market that you will make money. Only one airline makes money on Hawaii, and that is Hawaiian because they have interisland feed that helps with the longhaul feed. Other carriers fly there for their own frequent flyers. And, how many retirements will you be having? 2000? Really? From which side? The AT guys are all fairly young. And the senior SWA guys will try to get age 70 legislation enacted. You know they will! And who said you will be kicking DL's rear in ATL? You will have to raise fares just to pay for all of the EXTRA pay for every AT employee in ATL. There is no way around it, and you will probably throw away the "bags fly free" deal too. Too much added revenue left on the table, that could go to helping pay the gap between employee groups. You wouldn't want to spoil the SWA culture, would you? And, DL owns 70% of the traffic in ATL, and will continue to do so. There just aren't enough extra gates for SWA to buy there, and 25 min turns are VERY RARE here. Go ahead and try it though, especially with ground employees that are paid old AT wages. If you don't pay them, they will revolt. If you do pay them, you will have to raise fares. See the conundrum? We all do. BUT REGARDLESS, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY COOL. No wait, you guys are AWESOME.

Regardless, you all are FANTASTIC PEOPLE. TOP SHELF. And, if you have time today, do something great for someone or something, like instead of telling your Captain an actual joke, give him a fart sandwich. If he doesn't laugh, he is a LOSER. See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Hahahahahaha! Now THAT'S the funniest post yet!

I know a few

 

[Ty Webb]

The fact that you guys are using USAirways' lawyer is not good news for anyone. He is known to take extreme and unrealistic positions and never move.

To paraphrase te NRA, "Lawyers don't take positions; people take positions".

Seriously, consider who his client was.

 

[ASADFW7]

Gen, if all that is true, why doesn't it work that way in the rest of the country? You know why, dollar cost averaging, that is why. Take care you have a great day, I hear Delta is a swell place to work these days, enjoy it.

 

[texman]

I luv u gen nuts! the retirements are calculated off the SWA side. This includes posible medical and early retirements. I stated it was a AVG of 2000. Gen you are a person of good information. (most of the time). I think you are scared of the possibilities this acquisition might bring.

 

[N2264J]

N2264J, can you show everyone the contractual provision that you had in 2000 that required the merger of CMR or ASA with Delta?

Irrelavant.

Delta, Comair and ASA pilots all belonged to the same "union."

Check out ALPA's administration manual under Section 45:
Merger and Fragmentation Policy or Section 135: Alter Ego Policy.

The gist of both chapters was completely ignored. ALPA conspired with the ghost of Frank Lorenzo.

...I would like to point out, though, that it is an acquisition and not a merger...

This is exactly what the Delta pilots were telling Comair and ASA pilots in 2000.

Funny, no?