Message From UAL MEC Chariman

[chppr5]

Dude you must be 4 foot 0h. UAL is negotiating toward contract 2000 and beyond. CAL (at least the objectionist on here) are just simply happy to get their loan back as long as their 26 aging 767s stay banded. You're not the only one dying to get back on the property but by any means necessary? A solid contract (Section 1 thru Section 2X) that is separate and independent of SLI is what UALMEC is determine to achieve. Seem like they'll have to carry Jay along the way but in the end he won't regret it. Jayson Baron does want the 747 unbanded but in the followup contract to JCBA. What does that tell you?

Section III: Unband and significantly raise the rates for each aircraft in the inventory, PERIOD. That simple!!

AMEN! This is NOT just about the 744, its about the whole fleet. Banding promotes stagnation.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Like I said I will be talking to my rep and get the straight scoop so I can get the facts. I apologize perhaps I got too upset. Just sick of looking at the teens flying our routes with pathetic quality given to the UAL customer and sick of the C11 contract. I'm not against anybody at CAL and especially UAL. We are now one big family and I do realize family feuds can be ugly.

 

[General Lee]

AMEN! This is NOT just about the 744, its about the whole fleet. Banding promotes stagnation.

Hey, how about you get the same rates for 777 and 744, and then people won't move from aircraft to aircraft for pay reasons. Sure, there may be a 5 year fence for CAL people on the 744, but UAL pilots may just stay on the 777 if the pay is the same. It makes a lot of sense, and isn't unfair to CAL pilots since they don't have 744s anyway. Their top people deserve the same pay as the top UAL people, and that is how DL did it. If you disagree, you are a greedy jerk with an ego. Sad but true.

But, MOST OF YOU ARE COOL REGARDLESS. HAVE A FUN NIGHT!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[EWR_FO]

A buddy that has flown both at UA points out that on the 744, the freight forwarder would just buy the freight space and then let you fill the seats. This seriously should not be a johnson-measuring contest, but saying the 777>744 is flawed.

The 744 cannot go from HKG-EWR fully loaded, that was my point.

 

[EWR_FO]

The DOT of transportation cited Delta's bid to the coveted Haneda Airport using the 744 vice UAL / CAL bids w a 777 as the reason why they choose Delta to get 2 slots and CAL or UAL none. They wanted max compacity on the new routes and the 400 gives it to them. Apparently regulators disagree with you...so do the cargo haulers who have brought in a lot of rev in good and bad times.

I guess the fact that UAL has twice as many 777's as 744's has nothing to do with efficiency. If it is so efficient, why not buy more?

 

[EWR_FO]

CAL (at least the objectionist on here) are just simply happy to get their loan back as long as their 26 aging 767s stay banded.

That's laughable, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Go talk to someone involved in the process and you will see how foolish this statement is.

 

[densoo]

United Chairman Glenn Tilton also "warns of catastrophe should the merger fail." --Aviation Week

What else can be said to an SLI arbitrator about "career expectations" than what UAL's own CEO has said himself.

 

[rumrunner300]

Jesus, really?

What else can be said to an SLI arbitrator about "career expectations" than what UAL's own CEO has said himself.

Think harder, you can do it! I believe in you.....after all, idiots are people too.

rr

 

[General Lee]

The 744 cannot go from HKG-EWR fully loaded, that was my point.

777s and 744s BOTH make money in good times, but 744s lose more money in bad times. (777s can cover for them) Regardless, they should be paid the SAME if one company has 744s as the largest, and the other company has 777s as the largest on their side. It is only fair. It allows a lot more people to have top scale pay. This is ridiculous.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[densoo]

they should be paid the SAME if one company has 744s as the largest, and the other company has 777s as the largest on their side. It is only fair.

So if American merges with Great Lakes, then the 777 and the Embraer 120 should be paid this same? Each is the largest at each airline.