70-seat RJ's flying for CAL

[Uncle Bunkle]

Skywest and Republic will soon be flying 70-seat RJ's for CAL out of IAH and EWR, meanwhile the lazy pilots at CAL and UNITED continue to let punks take away their jobs.
Silly old pilots, can't see in front of their own noses.

 

[the palm]

Impossible. Genital Lee said United and Continental were taking back their flying so that must be what is happening.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Punks. ha... How so ? Mainline pilots would love to stop this insanity, However there is just no chance that will happen. Why do you get down on us RJ guys so much. Many of us make 6 figures, and fly the dc-9 version of the 80's. Why so much hate ? You act like we just decided to take your flying one day, blame the old timers not the young guys.

 

[Rick James]

Troll much?

 

[IAHERJ]

Punks. ha... How so ? Mainline pilots would love to stop this insanity, However there is just no chance that will happen. Why do you get down on us RJ guys so much. Many of us make 6 figures, and fly the dc-9 version of the 80's. Why so much hate ? You act like we just decided to take your flying one day, blame the old timers not the young guys.

With all due respect; actually screw the respect....That piece of crap you fly is nothing like a DC-9. Do not even put the CRJ or ERJ in the same sentence as the DC-9 no matter what version we are talking about. The DC-9 was a mainline aircraft that was tough as sh%t. The "punks" are the backpack wearing, ipod sporting, gelled up hair dudes you most often find flying the RJ's. Some have moved on to mainline airlines and are slow to lose the "dude" look but that is what pisses off most mainline pilots. Sorry so many really great professional pilots flying at the regionals while they await mainline hiring have to be labeled as "punks" due to the actions of a growing minority of their peers.

 

[jonjuan]

Some have moved on to mainline airlines and are slow to lose the "dude" look but that is what pisses off most mainline pilots. Sorry so many really great professional pilots flying at the regionals while they await mainline hiring have to be labeled as "punks" due to the actions of a growing minority of their peers.

I thought this thread was directed at the lazy mainline pilots at UAL/CAL. Now it's the rj pilots fault for the mainline laziness? Not really sure what you are trying to say. There are as many "punks" at the majors as the regionals, not that any of it is germane to 70 seat flying as management controls the flying.

 

[IAHERJ]

I thought this thread was directed at the lazy mainline pilots at UAL/CAL. Now it's the rj pilots fault for the mainline laziness? Not really sure what you are trying to say. There are as many "punks" at the majors as the regionals, not that any of it is germane to 70 seat flying as management controls the flying.

Management will not be controlling as much of the flying as they think... But you are correct, this needs to be about the "lazy" mainline pilots...

 

[jonjuan]

Management will not be controlling as much of the flying as they think... But you are correct, this needs to be about the "lazy" mainline pilots...

Agreed about controlling flying in the future, however, they certainly have a pretty good control of it right now and know how to push/pull the right levers/buttons much like the Great Oz behind the green curtain (or was it red?)

 

[IAHERJ]

Agreed about controlling flying in the future, however, they certainly have a pretty good control of it right now and know how to push/pull the right levers/buttons much like the Great Oz behind the green curtain (or was it red?)

You are correct! I really hope we can start the process of bringing in the "big" RJ flying. You'd think the RJ drivers would be happy but alas, some on here know they will never pass an interview for whatever hidden reason they most likely will never reveal on FI. The vocal minority that meet this criteria are going to stomp their feet at the idea of their shiny big jets(that are almost as big as a DC-9!!!!!not) leaving and having to be what they were made to be for the rest of their careers, true regional pilots.

 

[IAHERJ]

Okay, I see that the KarmaPolice is viewing this thread and I am most likely now due for some really bad news due to a few of my harsh comments. I will log off and leave it to the rest of you for a while. No hard feelings.....

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

I hope they outsource all your flying. The mainline carriers haven't done really any true hiring in 10 years. First 9/11, then 65, enter ********************ty economy... So just because some of us have made this our careers because of the recent conditions so be it.. Bottom line, I make more than many mainline F/O's and have more days off and a better QOL.
And due to the piss poor pay scales and QOL issues many RJ drivers have decided to stay than sit RSV in MSP on the DC-9 for Delta. I am on the fence, but seeing your weak mainline drivers are giving up more flying to me, I just might stay after-all.. Enjoy the right seat, sounds like you may be there for awhile.

 

[IAHERJ]

I hope they outsource all your flying. The mainline carriers haven't done really any true hiring in 10 years. First 9/11, then 65, enter ********************ty economy... So just because some of us have made this our careers because of the recent conditions so be it.. Bottom line, I make more than many mainline F/O's and have more days off and a better QOL.
And due to the piss poor pay scales and QOL issues many RJ drivers have decided to stay than sit RSV in MSP on the DC-9 for Delta. I am on the fence, but seeing your weak mainline drivers are giving up more flying to me, I just might stay after-all.. Enjoy the right seat, sounds like you may be there for awhile.

My right seat already pays better than your max captain pay and I'm just hitting year 6. My shi%ty contract will be paying me 135.00 an hour to fly the right seat in a few years without any contract changes. My b-fund contribution is 12.5% under my crappy contract. Tell me about your retirement. Tell me about your days off. Widebody pilots average around 17 days off here. 777 guys get at least 19 in IAH. You tell yourself what you need to keep that self esteem out of the gutter but don't start wishing ill will towards the very guys that want to make flying a 70 and up seat jet worth going to college for again.

 

[skywdriver]

I hope they outsource all your flying. The mainline carriers haven't done really any true hiring in 10 years. First 9/11, then 65, enter ********************ty economy... So just because some of us have made this our careers because of the recent conditions so be it.. Bottom line, I make more than many mainline F/O's and have more days off and a better QOL.
And due to the piss poor pay scales and QOL issues many RJ drivers have decided to stay than sit RSV in MSP on the DC-9 for Delta. I am on the fence, but seeing your weak mainline drivers are giving up more flying to me, I just might stay after-all.. Enjoy the right seat, sounds like you may be there for awhile.

That is fine with me, you do that and see how it works for you. I think a non-biased person with no personal interest in this topic would say there are more reasons than not that the regionals have very little growth potential left as a whole. Some may go away, some may pick up that flying, so I guess you have to hope that yours is one that doesn't go away. You can mouth off all you want about mainline and the bottom line is always the same - you are outsourced. You can come and you can go with the strike of a pen on a contract. Your airline doesn't know how to sell tickets, they don't know how to market seats, they don't know how to price tickets, they don't do 90% of the business that a mainline carrier does. They don't do anything but keep the plane fixed, fueled, and in the air. That is the bottom line - I wouldn't want to put my career in those hands. So enjoy things while they are good, because the barrier to enter the market for a regional is very low, so you will always be undercut by a group of pilots willing to do it for cheaper.

 

[chqflyer]

I hope they outsource all your flying. The mainline carriers haven't done really any true hiring in 10 years. First 9/11, then 65, enter ********************ty economy... So just because some of us have made this our careers because of the recent conditions so be it.. Bottom line, I make more than many mainline F/O's and have more days off and a better QOL.
And due to the piss poor pay scales and QOL issues many RJ drivers have decided to stay than sit RSV in MSP on the DC-9 for Delta. I am on the fence, but seeing your weak mainline drivers are giving up more flying to me, I just might stay after-all.. Enjoy the right seat, sounds like you may be there for awhile.

Are you and Joemerchant related? Not a single thing iaherj has said is untrue. Bottom at CAL is better than top of any POS regional.

 

[the palm]

Do not even put the CRJ or ERJ in the same sentence as the DC-9 no matter what version we are talking about.

Ummm....you just did.

 

[IAHERJ]

Are you and Joemerchant related? Not a single thing iaherj has said is untrue. Bottom at CAL is better than top of any POS regional.

Thanks, it's not like I enjoy repeatedly having to state that my airline has the worst contract of the legacy carriers except maybe U.S. Airways(who had to file bankruptcy twice to get below us). It doesn't inflate my ego to have to state more than twice this week that as crappy as my work rules and pay are, I'll still easily earn more than the highest paid regional captain, and I'm a lowly first officer. I don't do it to try and thumb my nose at regional pilots. Look at my profile. I was one. I was also a LCC pilot so you won't see me puting down AirTran pilots either. I just have a hard time listening to regional pilots bitch on one hand about the lazy mainline pilots who allowed all this outsourcing a decade ago(when I was a regional pilot myself) then get upset with us on the other hand for vowing to take it back. We are now blowhards and cocky for wanting to take 70 seat flying back all of a sudden. What do you guys want? I think i know what you want but I'm not going to go that direction right now.

 

[BID]

I hope they outsource all your flying. The mainline carriers haven't done really any true hiring in 10 years. First 9/11, then 65, enter ********************ty economy... So just because some of us have made this our careers because of the recent conditions so be it.. Bottom line, I make more than many mainline F/O's and have more days off and a better QOL.
And due to the piss poor pay scales and QOL issues many RJ drivers have decided to stay than sit RSV in MSP on the DC-9 for Delta. I am on the fence, but seeing your weak mainline drivers are giving up more flying to me, I just might stay after-all.. Enjoy the right seat, sounds like you may be there for awhile.

ha enjoy your justification for making a regional your final career stop. Yes, it's much better at a regional. yes, much better. Feel better ? Just remember you work for a contract airline, the contracts will expire, it's not your flying. Odds are you don't even have a reservation center, or marketing department. So don't cry when your contracts seize to exist.

I have many friends who have made a regional their final career stop. But they don't kid themselves. They understand the risk and have accepted the fact that the flying could one day go back where it came from MAINLINE.

 

[BUDDHA145]

i really doesnt metter that mainline pilots bla bla bla!!! or the regional pilot bla bla bla!!!

management holds the strapon with no lub, so lets keep getting it...
...back to my Scoth to ease the pain!!! cheers ouch.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

CAL is now UAL's regional.

CAL is closing down its departments and merging them into UAL's. UAL's reservations, marketing, name, and identity is the survivor. UAL's structure is the one being preserved and CAL's destroyed. HQ was moved to Chicago not Houston.

CAL is just another contract flying for UAL. CAL is the worlds largest regional. And CAL already has a regional contract with an incompetent union.

 

[Twisted Mind]

I really hope we can start the process of bringing in the "big" RJ flying.

You need to take it all back. Including the T-props or it will not work and managment will have everyone right back to square one.