Jeff is Challenging Scope.

[JoeMerchant]

You're right. We created this problem. Now we are going to fix it!

If the "fix" excludes me...then don't count on my support or others...

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

That was my goal 16 years ago also. However the mainline pilots sold this flying for their convenience....then came the dot.com bubble, 911, SARS, and the financial crises.....I now have altered my flight plan and it is about me...as is everyone else on here including YOU!

If you are in fact, that senior, then losing the +50 seat flying will have minimal, if at all, any effect on you... So then why are you so against it???

Yogi

 

[nerjdriver]

I'm a "punk"?...How about you arrogant mainline pilots who created this mess and now don't like it....Screw you!


DING DING DING!!!!! You major guys are so arrogant to think you have earned anything. YOU have given away every cent of compensation, reputation, progress and integrity to this profession. I absolutely love the guy that says "I was at a regional for 9 years and wanted more 70 seaters"....hmmm were you at RAH? "But now i see the big picture and want the flying thats ours". Whose..? Yours...? But wait .... you were at a regional for 9 years and had no problems with it right?

I am so sick and tired of listening to these self serving, self righteous, high and mighty "major" pilots who are "taking it back". YOU have given everything up for us, we work at a regional for a reason, not a choice. How many of you guys got hired at 24 years old at a major, off the top of my head I can think of three. That was BEFORE SCOPE WAS GIVEN UP and the regionals did not exist.

Flame away guys. The truth sucks.

 

[IAHERJ]

And now we will be "taking it back", albeit slowly. That will give more of you regional guys the opportunity to move on to the pay scales of a major airline. I'm sorry if the "all about me" baby boomers ruined it for the rest of us by giving away scope over the last decade but the younger crowd at the majors(many of which came from regional airlines) are here to help fix this.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

A lot of hot wind from this board.

 

[sleeves]

News flash...Everyone on here is looking at this from their own perspective. Your mileage may vary.....

Well I get a vote and you don't. I am looking at it not only for mysel but for those that are just starting. After reading you self centered B/S, you are the problem, and I will not feel even a little sorry for you.

 

[Bako Cap]

And now we will be "taking it back", albeit slowly. That will give more of you regional guys the opportunity to move on to the pay scales of a major airline.

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I just love seeing this spirit of unity. All for one, one for all. No wonder we're all @#$%ed.

 

[IAHERJ]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

And your captains max out at? With what B fund match? Tell us about how great you have it flying that regional jet. I'll make 120K this year as a copilot and that is working under a concessionary contract that sucks as we all know. What is your starting pay? No I am not kidding. We will fix our contract. That will include taking back the flying our brothers on the United side had to give up in bankruptcy. No sarcasm here. You and your guppy killer buds might want to start looking for pic time asap as you'll need it to fly the same aircraft you are flying today(provided you have a college degree etc. to get hired at UAL) for the benefits you deserve to have as an airline pilot.

 

[IAHERJ]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

Starting over even in the late 1990's meant taking a short term pay cut. I'm sorry if you and ole Joe Merchant can't afford to do so today. That is your problem. You chose to try and live a life you couldn't afford on regional pay and now you have subjected you and your family to a life of complete mediocracy. Suck it up and reap the benefits in less than 4 years. Or fly that code share aircraft for 30 cents on the dollar for the rest of your life hoping for a shot at Spirit or Allegient.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Suck it up and reap the benefits in less than 4 years.

Try more like 8 - 10 years (assuming no furloughs, more concessions or age 70). Then how long til upgrade, weekends/holidays off. Some of us don't have the luxury of 30 more years.

 

[Hvy]

Try more like 8 - 10 years (assuming no furloughs, more concessions or age 70). Then how long til upgrade, weekends/holidays off. Some of us don't have the luxury of 30 more years.

Well....such is life.

 

[nimtz]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

And your airline starts at $22. If find CAL's 2 yr expired concessionary contract to be so revolting why don't you do something about your own new hire pay? Better yet why do your CRJ-900 seat capts still make a paltry fraction of what a 737 capt makes under our garbage contract? Oh wait never mind, your management treats you great! Shouldn't rock the boat or might miss out on more growth! Don't toss rocks in a glass house shiny jet captain...

 

[BID]

$30 per hour and no health care for six months? Are you kidding? Your wide body Captains max out less then $200 per hour. You seriously have got to be FN sarcastic to post that. Please tell me you're joking.

We have yet to, "take it back" but at less than 6 years of seniority FO, I make more than an 18 year captain at SkyWest flying a 90 seat aircraft. So please tell me YOU are joking.

IMHO, regional pilots sound more righteous than anyone else and most have been there so long they no longer get it.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Age 70....no f'ing way!

 

[list2002]

amen.

 

[Bako Cap]

And your captains max out at? With what B fund match? Tell us about how great you have it flying that regional jet. I'll make 120K this year as a copilot and that is working under a concessionary contract that sucks as we all know. What is your starting pay? No I am not kidding. We will fix our contract. That will include taking back the flying our brothers on the United side had to give up in bankruptcy. No sarcasm here. You and your guppy killer buds might want to start looking for pic time asap as you'll need it to fly the same aircraft you are flying today(provided you have a college degree etc. to get hired at UAL) for the benefits you deserve to have as an airline pilot.

The sad part is that you are comparing your "legacy" to a regional. Very sad.

 

[Bako Cap]

And your airline starts at $22. If find CAL's 2 yr expired concessionary contract to be so revolting why don't you do something about your own new hire pay? Better yet why do your CRJ-900 seat capts still make a paltry fraction of what a 737 capt makes under our garbage contract? Oh wait never mind, your management treats you great! Shouldn't rock the boat or might miss out on more growth! Don't toss rocks in a glass house shiny jet captain...

Someone else comparing their "legacy" to a regional. You guys are lost.

 

[Bako Cap]

We have yet to, "take it back" but at less than 6 years of seniority FO, I make more than an 18 year captain at SkyWest flying a 90 seat aircraft. So please tell me YOU are joking.

IMHO, regional pilots sound more righteous than anyone else and most have been there so long they no longer get it.

Keep up that legacy v. regional comparison. No **** the regional's make less. When are you guys going to look forward instead of peering into and dreaming about the past.

Does anyone want to compare a legacy to a legacy around here?

 

[Bako Cap]

Starting over even in the late 1990's meant taking a short term pay cut. I'm sorry if you and ole Joe Merchant can't afford to do so today. That is your problem. You chose to try and live a life you couldn't afford on regional pay and now you have subjected you and your family to a life of complete mediocracy. Suck it up and reap the benefits in less than 4 years. Or fly that code share aircraft for 30 cents on the dollar for the rest of your life hoping for a shot at Spirit or Allegient.

It is not about affording the move. I just don't see the reason or benifit. There is nothing stellar in your contract. The good thing about my stagnated career progression, is that I learned to diversify. My family life is second to none due to proper planning and if SkyWest goes out of business, it would be a mere speed bump for a month or two.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Thread creep.

CAL is violating CAL scope and CAL ALPA is looking into it.

So is CAL ALPA going to do anything about it? Unlikely. CAL pilots have not stood up for their jobs or the profession since 1982.

 

[IAHERJ]

The sad part is that you are comparing your "legacy" to a regional. Very sad.

Actually, I'm comparing a 5 year copilot at a legacy to a regional. Worst case scenario would be a 30 year career in the right seat at a legacy under this current pos contract I'm working under. It is very far fetched as we are about to obtain an industry leading contract next year(you know, that looking forward thing you want us to do), but sitting in the right seat for the next 30 years under this contract is still 10 times better than being on year 12 pay in the left seat at whatever regional you work for for the next 30 years. No comparison.

 

[IAHERJ]

It is not about affording the move. I just don't see the reason or benifit. There is nothing stellar in your contract. The good thing about my stagnated career progression, is that I learned to diversify. My family life is second to none due to proper planning and if SkyWest goes out of business, it would be a mere speed bump for a month or two.

Good then. The transition will not be a hardship for you. I was thinking about feeling bad about you losing some larger RJ flying on the United side of your little operation. Thank you for squashing that guilty feeling..

 

[luckytohaveajob]

CAL has not been industry leading for decades. CAL pilots have never stood up to management. CAL's has the worst work rules, scheduling, international ops, sick leave, commuting, and every other contract section other than scope?

And CAL is going to take scope back without the pilots even saying boo.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

From 1987 till 1995 CAL captain made $70k a year with FO's making $35k.

From 1995 on CAL pilots have consistently made 25% to 40% less than other legacies.

Career earnings of a CAL pilot has been half that of a NWA, DAL, UAL, US Air, or SWA pilot.

 

[chqflyer]

From 1987 till 1995 CAL captain made $70k a year with FO's making $35k.

From 1995 on CAL pilots have consistently made 25% to 40% less than other legacies.

Career earnings of a CAL pilot has been half that of a NWA, DAL, UAL, US Air, or SWA pilot.

So what? The argument is regional vs Legacy. Even the most junior person at CAL is still lightyears ahead of the number one guy at any regional. The regional pilots entire career can be wiped out by the stroke of a bean counters pen. The moment you cost too much, the next regional steps in and replaces you.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

You say so what?

CAL is flying 777s on a regional contract.

 

[IAHERJ]

You say so what?

CAL is flying 777s on a regional contract.

And you have no credibility as you don't even work for an airline period. Maybe a commuter at best. Nice flame bait though...

 

[Twisted Mind]

CAL is violating CAL scope and CAL ALPA is looking into it.

So is CAL ALPA going to do anything about it? Unlikely. CAL pilots have not stood up for their jobs or the profession since 1982.

Exactly it is a CAL problem and CAL PILOTS need to address the problem. Not blame others for picking up the crumbs left behind.

 

[BID]

You say so what?

CAL is flying 777s on a regional contract.

OMG you are so right! So smart, so wise. Who do you work for? Don't you want to help others here? Help them decide where the wise one works ?

But you will not tell anyone who you work for, huh?

You are quick to flame CAL, and then run and hide. Most of the time you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. So what perfect airline do you work for ? Don't say Microsoft, they are not an airline!