Future plans for the 717 at the new SWA?

[carl p]

What are you WN guys/gals hearing over there? Will they stay in ATL or move some out west?

 

[airlinepilot]

We have heard Boeing has 20 more 717's they want to give us a bargain rate on.

 

[F9 Driver]

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

 

[AnimalTale]

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

Dont worry, just because we screwed the pooch, doesnt mean the deal between Air Tran and SWA will be bad.

We, plain and simple, screwed up (water under the bridge). But since you bring it up: Look what we are contending with now, oh wait, Ill say it before you do, "at least we have jobs". Thats all it is, its a "job", it could have been a career. Nice job.

CYA

 

[airlinepilot]

You are just trying to stir the pot

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.





Good luck!

Clearly flame bait! SWAPA has not issued any statements on how the SLI will be approached. You are just trying to start a bunch of hate postings. I challenge you to provide any articles from SWAPA concerning the SLI that are anything but neutral in nature. GO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO SPREAD " HATE AND DISCONTENT".

 

[Double Shot]

i honestly think animal tail was keeping it real. Good on him. I think Frontier guys at this point wish they could do a do over.

 

[canyonblue]

i honestly think animal tail was keeping it real. Good on him. I think Frontier guys at this point wish they could do a do over.

He is a class act, I have flown with him in the past and hoped we would fly again in the future. Hope all is well AT.

 

[Ty Webb]

The 717 are a nice replacement for aging -300 and -500 aircraft until the leases run out. Boeing may even offer them some more at fire-sale prices they can't refuse, but probably not if it would result in less new -700 and -800 deliveries . . . . Might be a deal too good to pass up!

AirTran has several dozen smaller-market cities that are profitable with the 717, but won't fill the extra 20 seats on a -700 and so the 717 is more economical to use for those markets. They are also great for "shuttle" type service, so maybe they'll find some intra-Texas or intra-California service, if they can spread the 717 MX parts out west.

As for an "asset sale", AirTran is profitable, there's no reason to take it apart. That wasn't the case with F9 and if that was SWA's intentions, they wouldn't start off by announcing an SLI. The SLI is the last thing to be negotiated in this instance, not the first, as it was with F9. Sorry you guys got hosed, and I mean that sincerely, but I don't think that is the case this time.

 

[Bwipilot]

I agree--the 717's will be at SWA for at least a while. They might be transitioned out 5-10 years down the road--but not an asset sale. There's too much overhead in place that would sit idle at a huge cost instead of making a profit. SWA tries to keep things simple--but tries even harder to make money. That's what it'll come down to--making money.

 

[slaquer5]

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.



Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

Sorry your so bitter. Your MA guys shoved you under the bus. Good luck today with the seniority outcome. I am sure you will much happier at Republic. Trust me when I say you would have really liked being here.

Once again welcome to the AT guys

 

[sayrejm]

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

sayrejm
If you don't change that avatar nobody will ever read a thing you write.

 

[Bwipilot]

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

I was worried until I read the words training department. They should rename it to misdirection department. I'm now guessing that SWA will purchase an additional 50 717s as well as ASA and Skywest

 

[Ty Webb]

Tool!!

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

WOW!! Man, what are they going to do with all those extra seats they'd have to rip out of 'em to fall within the scope limits?

The reason I'm asking is I think some of those 717 seats would look good in my garage, and maybe I could get 'em cheap.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

I'm guessing that the lions share of them will still be mostly in and out of ATL simply because the majority of your gates appear to be too narrow for -700/-800s to park there. So, ATL probably won't look too much different from today's operation other than the Canyon Blue paintjobs and the XM Satellite Radio hopefully.

 

[dougdrvr]

Boeing would be money ahead to pile them all up and burn them. Imagine what it must cost them to support such a limited fleet type and the RR engine has no other application that I know of. The only commonality with avionics is the MD-11. The 25 that are sitting idle from the Mexacana deal aren't compatible with the Air Tran fleet without a very expensive interior mod (namely the lack of forward lav).It's a crying shame 'cause it's a fantastic airplane. They would make a great corporate airplane (with aux tanks)

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Trust me, Boeing wants these Airplanes flying in a bad way. They will happily do whatever interior mods are necessary to get WN to take them. In fact, the interiors of all of AirTran's 717's are going to go through interior modifications over the next few years to WN's specifications anyway.

 

[Ty Webb]

So, ATL probably won't look too much different from today's operation other than the Canyon Blue paintjobs and the XM Satellite Radio hopefully.

I'm hoping for a couple to be done in corn-dog paint jobs, you know, for the nostalgia factor

 

[T45Flyer]

I'm hoping for a couple to be done in corn-dog paint jobs, you know, for the nostalgia factor

I think that would be very cool!
-T45

 

[Skybus]

Dont believe everything you hear. We will be flying those for a long time.