Future plans for the 717 at the new SWA?

[carl p]

What are you WN guys/gals hearing over there? Will they stay in ATL or move some out west?

 

[airlinepilot]

We have heard Boeing has 20 more 717's they want to give us a bargain rate on.

 

[F9 Driver]

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

 

[AnimalTale]

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

Dont worry, just because we screwed the pooch, doesnt mean the deal between Air Tran and SWA will be bad.

We, plain and simple, screwed up (water under the bridge). But since you bring it up: Look what we are contending with now, oh wait, Ill say it before you do, "at least we have jobs". Thats all it is, its a "job", it could have been a career. Nice job.

CYA

 

[airlinepilot]

You are just trying to stir the pot

Can you say asset sale? Have you seen anything from SWA/SWAPA that says they've reversed their staunch opposition to a SLI arbitration in order to settle the inevitable SLI dispute?

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.

I don't mean to rain on the potential of this deal, but... SWA was looking for larger airplanes (737-800s) not smaller (717s) and has historically refused to allow for an arbitrated SLI. What changed, except SWA's need for better I.T. and growth into Atlanta?

Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.





Good luck!

Clearly flame bait! SWAPA has not issued any statements on how the SLI will be approached. You are just trying to start a bunch of hate postings. I challenge you to provide any articles from SWAPA concerning the SLI that are anything but neutral in nature. GO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO SPREAD " HATE AND DISCONTENT".

 

[Double Shot]

i honestly think animal tail was keeping it real. Good on him. I think Frontier guys at this point wish they could do a do over.

 

[canyonblue]

i honestly think animal tail was keeping it real. Good on him. I think Frontier guys at this point wish they could do a do over.

He is a class act, I have flown with him in the past and hoped we would fly again in the future. Hope all is well AT.

 

[Ty Webb]

The 717 are a nice replacement for aging -300 and -500 aircraft until the leases run out. Boeing may even offer them some more at fire-sale prices they can't refuse, but probably not if it would result in less new -700 and -800 deliveries . . . . Might be a deal too good to pass up!

AirTran has several dozen smaller-market cities that are profitable with the 717, but won't fill the extra 20 seats on a -700 and so the 717 is more economical to use for those markets. They are also great for "shuttle" type service, so maybe they'll find some intra-Texas or intra-California service, if they can spread the 717 MX parts out west.

As for an "asset sale", AirTran is profitable, there's no reason to take it apart. That wasn't the case with F9 and if that was SWA's intentions, they wouldn't start off by announcing an SLI. The SLI is the last thing to be negotiated in this instance, not the first, as it was with F9. Sorry you guys got hosed, and I mean that sincerely, but I don't think that is the case this time.

 

[Bwipilot]

I agree--the 717's will be at SWA for at least a while. They might be transitioned out 5-10 years down the road--but not an asset sale. There's too much overhead in place that would sit idle at a huge cost instead of making a profit. SWA tries to keep things simple--but tries even harder to make money. That's what it'll come down to--making money.

 

[slaquer5]

Good luck dealing with SWAPA. Get EVERYTHING in writing as you go forward from SWA and the folks at SWAPA.



Of course I could be wrong, but SWAPA's public statements don't indicate that an equitable solution is likely.

Good luck!

Sorry your so bitter. Your MA guys shoved you under the bus. Good luck today with the seniority outcome. I am sure you will much happier at Republic. Trust me when I say you would have really liked being here.

Once again welcome to the AT guys

 

[sayrejm]

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

sayrejm
If you don't change that avatar nobody will ever read a thing you write.

 

[Bwipilot]

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

I was worried until I read the words training department. They should rename it to misdirection department. I'm now guessing that SWA will purchase an additional 50 717s as well as ASA and Skywest

 

[Ty Webb]

Tool!!

Had a jumpseater say he heard from someone in the training department that SWA was going to sell all the 717s to ASA.

WOW!! Man, what are they going to do with all those extra seats they'd have to rip out of 'em to fall within the scope limits?

The reason I'm asking is I think some of those 717 seats would look good in my garage, and maybe I could get 'em cheap.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

I'm guessing that the lions share of them will still be mostly in and out of ATL simply because the majority of your gates appear to be too narrow for -700/-800s to park there. So, ATL probably won't look too much different from today's operation other than the Canyon Blue paintjobs and the XM Satellite Radio hopefully.

 

[dougdrvr]

Boeing would be money ahead to pile them all up and burn them. Imagine what it must cost them to support such a limited fleet type and the RR engine has no other application that I know of. The only commonality with avionics is the MD-11. The 25 that are sitting idle from the Mexacana deal aren't compatible with the Air Tran fleet without a very expensive interior mod (namely the lack of forward lav).It's a crying shame 'cause it's a fantastic airplane. They would make a great corporate airplane (with aux tanks)

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Trust me, Boeing wants these Airplanes flying in a bad way. They will happily do whatever interior mods are necessary to get WN to take them. In fact, the interiors of all of AirTran's 717's are going to go through interior modifications over the next few years to WN's specifications anyway.

 

[Ty Webb]

So, ATL probably won't look too much different from today's operation other than the Canyon Blue paintjobs and the XM Satellite Radio hopefully.

I'm hoping for a couple to be done in corn-dog paint jobs, you know, for the nostalgia factor

 

[T45Flyer]

I'm hoping for a couple to be done in corn-dog paint jobs, you know, for the nostalgia factor

I think that would be very cool!
-T45

 

[Skybus]

Dont believe everything you hear. We will be flying those for a long time.

 

[StopNTSing]

I'm guessing that the lions share of them will still be mostly in and out of ATL simply because the majority of your gates appear to be too narrow for -700/-800s to park there.

I've heard a few folks talking about this recently. Can someone in the know at AirTran give me a positive ID on whether this is a real limitation of the ATL gates or not? Would suck if true.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

We'll fly them until the wings fall off of them, then we'll fix them and keep flying them, If they are as cheap as people say (Lease wise), they are not going anywhere...You'll learn, everything around here revolves around money (how cheap it costs), and if there is an option that was available on the A/C that it could be flown without, Trust me, we don't have it. Frankly we don't care because most of us don't (didn't) know any different! We're getting paid and that's what is important...

Can you fly the 717 like a (737) -200?
KBB

 

[27 driver]

I've heard a few folks talking about this recently. Can someone in the know at AirTran give me a positive ID on whether this is a real limitation of the ATL gates or not? Would suck if true.

Yes it is true. There are many gates on the C concourse that are only suited for the 717 or smaller. I have heard that part of the deal that the Tranny worked out with the airport when they renewed their leases was to fix that issue so the 73 would fit all the gates. Not sure if there is any truth to the second part.

 

[scoreboardII]

I'm guessing that the lions share of them will still be mostly in and out of ATL simply because the majority of your gates appear to be too narrow for -700/-800s to park there.

You all obviously haven't seen the ally at LAX or the corner in OAK.

 

[carl p]

AirTran has several dozen smaller-market cities that are profitable with the 717, but won't fill the extra 20 seats on a -700 and so the 717 is more economical to use for those markets. They are also great for "shuttle" type service, so maybe they'll find some intra-Texas or intra-California service, if they can spread the 717 MX parts out west.

This is specifically what I am wondering, I've heard SWA peeps on other threads mention rumors on their side involving moving some out west. I'd love that being a west coast guy! The 717 would do a great job in Texas, Vegas, or Cali.

SWA guys, what are you hearing?

As for the ATL gates - I've been out awhile, but I thought the airport was going to make some changes to allow the 37 to fit most if not all? Someone can chime in with the correct info. Surely, GK would've researched this in advance.

Please keep all the other SLI B.S. on the other threads.

 

[Flying the Line]

This is specifically what I am wondering, I've heard SWA peeps on other threads mention rumors on their side involving moving some out west. I'd love that being a west coast guy! The 717 would do a great job in Texas, Vegas, or Cali.

SWA guys, what are you hearing?

As for the ATL gates - I've been out awhile, but I thought the airport was going to make some changes to allow the 37 to fit most if not all? Someone can chime in with the correct info. Surely, GK would've researched this in advance.

Please keep all the other SLI B.S. on the other threads.

My feeling is that you will definately not see them in California, IMO California will be next in line for the -800s after LGA, EWR, DCA, and Boston. California cities comprise 20 of the top 25 city pairs for passenger traffic. The other five are DAL-HOU, MCO-BWI, LAS-PHX, LAS-RNO, and LAS-MDW. California is definately not prime for smaller A/C, unless Fresno, Monterey, Palm Springs, or Bakersfield open up.

edit: my data came from Boyds SW-AT analysis on his website. http://www.aviationplanning.com/

It's right there under the Hot Flash.

 

[arjayeffo]

He is a class act, I have flown with him in the past and hoped we would fly again in the future. Hope all is well AT.

Well then can you PLEASE get him an interview so he can have that staple he so desperately wanted. Personally, I come to work to get *away* from the pointless bitching and moaning.

 

[Cruncher]

My friend Mr Beam says it right.

We'll keep the 717s until they are no longer worth while keeping around. I am almost positive we'll have red bellied 717s running the system. Actually, I would not be surprised it the company eventually bought them outright when their leases are up (if it's CHEAPER & it's possible). Also I would not be surprised if we don't start buying up all those sitting in VCV. I don't think our future is one without the 71, at least not for the next decade. We have some pretty old 73s running around.

I have heard from more than one maintenance guy that the 717 maintenance cost is more than the 73, apparently you need a lift to add oil. Not sure if that could skew their future.

I think GK may keep them around as an internal feed. I hope we negotiate the same rate as the 737. Our SL6 lacks this, ... too bad really.

For the guy asking about rumors where they may eventually end up, I haven't heard anything. My guess, they will stay in ATL until we can fill gates with 737s, then they will flow throughout the system, with concentrations on routes that run a little light. Maybe intra-Texas, ... Dunno, all speculation really.

Welcome aboard Trannies. We'll be far international soon. Willy's on, gotta go.

 

[Daddy]

I'm thinking inter-island flying

 

[Cruncher]

maybe. Another bad, our contract allows inter-island codeshare. But one can hope ...