Not so fast!! Horizon in Pinnacle's sights?

[Ridgeback]

You heard it here first!

 

[outtahere]

Hell, that's good, maybe introducing horizon and mesaba pilots into the pinnacle group can help the jellied spines of the pinnacle pilots stiffen up!

 

[higney85]

Hell, that's good, maybe introducing horizon and mesaba pilots into the pinnacle group can help the jellied spines of the pinnacle pilots stiffen up!

Jellied spines? Under what grounds!? You think the group has been negotiating for 5+ years, 2 rounds of "ice" from the NMB and a voted DOWN TA is spineless?


The horizon rumor has been floating around since the day PNCL mgmt bought the first round of Q 400's so it may be the first "rumblings" on FI but many have been hearing this for 3+ years. Nothing with substance beyond a common Q400 fleet.

 

[outtahere]

Well, lets see, you have been been negotiating for five years, and you don't have a contract, but your on-time performance is sky high!!

 

[higney85]

Well, lets see, you have been been negotiating for five years, and you don't have a contract, but your on-time performance is sky high!!

Take a look at the numbers since AFTER the TA failed.... horrible.

 

[ex j-41]

Havoc. It's the only answer.

 

[outtahere]

Uhh, we have this neat little tracker on our company website that shows the performance of all DCI carriers, Pinnacle is always near the top. You guys are spineless. Grow a pair and set the friggin parking brake, and fly really safe airplanes. It sucks, but it's inevitable. Oh, but I forgot, you all are going to rely on the mesaba merger to negotiate, and pray that their pilots have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for you.

 

[higney85]

Uhh, we have this neat little tracker on our company website that shows the performance of all DCI carriers, Pinnacle is always near the top. You guys are spineless. Grow a pair and set the friggin parking brake, and fly really safe airplanes. It sucks, but it's inevitable. Oh, but I forgot, you all are going to rely on the mesaba merger to negotiate, and pray that their pilots have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for you.

It's unfortunate that you will only believe what you want to believe.

 

[RJLoser]

Well, lets see, you have been been negotiating for five years, and you don't have a contract, but your on-time performance is sky high!!

So true!!!!! WTF guys?

 

[Top Gum]

Grow a pair and set the friggin parking brake, and fly really safe airplanes. It sucks, but it's inevitable.

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I don’t think the union agrees with any of this. Maybe they should.
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[higney85]

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I don’t think the union agrees with any of this. Maybe they should.
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That's known as a "work to rule campaign". Past precedent in the legal system is not favorable on the union advocating anything different that status quo. If you want to do it, more power to you. If a rep starts advocating anything beyond status quo he/she can end up in jail.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

They'll be out of 700s soon. Will be a q400 company

 

[1.3XVso]

Take a look at the numbers since AFTER the TA failed.... horrible.

Are you sure about that buddy pal?

 

[outtahere]

It doesn't have to come from the union, take some initiative on your own and drag the dang anchor! Does the union have to hold your hand to pee?

 

[higney85]

It doesn't have to come from the union, take some initiative on your own and drag the dang anchor! Does the union have to hold your hand to pee?

If you are referring that to me, I am assured that you have no idea who you are talking to. I tend to be a bit "involved" with things. My words (even on this forum) could very well land me in jail, I take a risk as it is to talk on these forums and try to get some facts out there.

 

[higney85]

Are you sure about that buddy pal?

Can you find any other carrier that has a management team that will actually attempt to use discipline for those with sick calls and doctors notes? Does your carrier require a note every time you call in sick regardless of how often? Does you company have 32 cancelled flights in a single day due to no crews and blame pilots calling in sick? Don't even try to hide behind "no, my carrier can't" because every single ALPA contract (mainline or regional) allows the company this provision.

Our performance sucks in relative comparison to our past operations and the blame has been put on crews, both on delays and cancellations. I don't think you will find too many that are still bending over backwards for the company unless it directly has a benefit to them. That has had NO union intervention, pilots are angry. I think you WOULD see amazing numbers if there was a respectable contract in place and the JFK operation could be contained in the "downline interruption" department.

You can fire attacks all day but if you think words against the pinnacle pilot group accomplish anything you are wrong. This is the same group that voted down a TA that would have hurt most regionals going forward, we may not hit the moon but the bar will be raised by this group.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

If you are referring that to me, I am assured that you have no idea who you are talking to. I tend to be a bit "involved" with things. My words (even on this forum) could very well land me in jail, I take a risk as it is to talk on these forums and try to get some facts out there.

Robert? Is that you?!!? Be careful man, I would hate to see you go to jail for posting on FI. Well, at least you'll know how to take care of yourself in there with all of that law enfocement training you have.....LOL, WOW!

 

[NWaviator]

Notice that nothing really about the posts here is regarding Horizon. Typical FI...

 

[bri5150]

Interestingly, a fed was in Mesaba RGS today and said something about a Nov. 1st announcement. Didn't say what it was though.

 

[Speedtape]

Interestingly, a fed was in Mesaba RGS today and said something about a Nov. 1st announcement. Didn't say what it was though.

Is it Mesa sucks?