SkyWest: Vote No and get more

[DCMartin]

Almost everyone Ive spoke with is voting No. I don't see this POS passing. For those of you on the fence or possibly voting yes, think about this: if this thing doesn't pass (and its not gonna pass) by a slim margin, lets say by 5%. MGMT will sit on it for another year, start their little fear campaign, maybe sprinkle another .5% on and hope it barley passes. The pilot group will be split, they'll get their bonus.

So those who are voting Yes are costing yourselves and everyone else money. If we can shoot this thing down with a 90% NO vote, it will send a decisive message that unity is hopefully around the corner for this group. And hopefully we can get something meaningful out of these "negotiations."

A YES vote is a waste.

 

[MarineGrunt]

What makes you think that they will offer any more of a raise next year? If any at all....

SAPA failed big time by letting this go to the pilot group for a vote. By sending it for a vote, we are now left with the choice of voting for a piece of crap, or getting nothing. I'd rather they kept fighting for something respectable with the chance of getting nowhere, than sending us a package that is insulting. Good luck getting mgmt back to the table after it gets rejected....

 

[Flyerdan]

What makes you think that they will offer any more of a raise next year? If any at all....

SAPA failed big time by letting this go to the pilot group for a vote. By sending it for a vote, we are now left with the choice of voting for a piece of crap, or getting nothing. I'd rather they kept fighting for something respectable with the chance of getting nowhere, than sending us a package that is insulting. Good luck getting mgmt back to the table after it gets rejected....

Those are my thoughts exactly! SAPA should have stayed at the table indefinately until something worthwhile was hammered out.

 

[DCMartin]

What makes you think that they will offer any more of a raise next year? If any at all....

SAPA failed big time by letting this go to the pilot group for a vote. By sending it for a vote, we are now left with the choice of voting for a piece of crap, or getting nothing. I'd rather they kept fighting for something respectable with the chance of getting nowhere, than sending us a package that is insulting. Good luck getting mgmt back to the table after it gets rejected....

I agree that SAPA failed at the table. Im basing my assumption on History. The last time they offered the 1% it was shot down with a 78% No vote, They came back with more ...however it did take a while.
That being said, they may not give anything and may sit on it. But lets be realistic, this POS offer isnt much of anything.

None the FO's ive flown with are voting on this (obviously) and most of the CA's Ive spoken with are not. This is going back as a No, so you might as well do something meaningful. Voting Yes will only make it more painful and extend the time it takes to get something else.

 

[CFIT]

And again, there's a reason management wants this quickly resolved...........

 

[Nightrain_080]

Whoop whoop.......lets at least wait until the first of the year.

What is the reason they want it done by October?

Throw us a bone.

 

[the palm]

Those are my thoughts exactly! SAPA should have stayed at the table indefinately until something worthwhile was hammered out.

What exactly is it that you think happens at the table between Jerry and SAPA?

Jerry: Here is my first, best and final offer.
SAPA: This sucks. Our pilots will hate it.
Jerry: I have to be on the golf course in 15 minutes. Take it or leave it.
SAPA: We'll take it, but our pilots will vote it down.
Jerry: Well, off to the links. C ya!

 

[propsarebest]

What exactly is it that you think happens at the table between Jerry and SAPA?

Jerry: Here is my first, best and final offer.
SAPA: This sucks. Our pilots will hate it.
Jerry: I have to be on the golf course in 15 minutes. Take it or leave it.
SAPA: We'll take it, but our pilots will vote it down.
Jerry: Well, off to the links. C ya!

replace golf course with houseboat and links with harley club and you are 100% correct...

 

[Erlanger]

Here's what will happen folks. This POS contract will fail and it will be back to negotiations but Skywest will drag their feet for a year and we'll end up getting more money eventually but no retro. Skywest is dangling a BS carrot by saying this contract will be effective Sept 1st if we vote it in now. Big freaking deal! But when the new deal passes in the 2nd round, Skywest will insist it be effective at a later date. So they give up more money eventually but they save millions over the year long drag out. We must insist on any contract to be effective Sept. 1 2010 as part any contract. There must be a penalty to the company for dragging their feet on getting us fair pay because they will drag it out.

 

[PCL_128]

Perhaps it's time for a real union that actually has leverage in negotiations. SAPA has none.

 

[CFIT]

Perhaps it's time for a real union that actually has leverage in negotiations. SAPA has none.

Perhaps it's time to have a union that really represents the regionals instead of the legacy's. Perhaphs it's time for some junior reserve FO not to give his food stamp level pay scale to to John Prater sitting on the beach slurping prime rib, sucking martini's, while PCL lathers his back in backwash suntan lotion in Hollywood FLA. Perhaps it's time to have ALPO national not pay ad hoc journalists $145K a year, to add an afternoon piece about Timmy Martin.

Or just go with a dinosaur?

At sometime, everybody dies. Today is ALPO............

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Vote YES and start sending me money. Oops, the Union money. Pay your dues!

 

[Raskal]

Looking from the outside, could it be possible you guys (the pilot group) are underestimating your leverage? It seems that often the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself. Now that union companies have been added to the mix of airlines under the Skywest organization I wonder if the company, should this offer be turned down, would come back with something more attractive to avoid the first union drive that may actually succeed.

What is there to lose?

 

[Bako Cap]

Not much, most FO's will only see a bit less than $400 over the next year, for me about $1500. My family budgets as if I was on FO pay so $1500 will not be missed when this pay package is turned down. Even though I cannot vote yes, I will be surprised if we get much more next year, if anything.

 

[SSDD]

The SAPA guys should be ashamed of themselves for letting this even go to a vote. Not only are we screwing ourselves, but we are being used to screw ASA/Expressjet.

There is a reason that this is being fast tracked. . . and its not generosity!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Looking from the outside, could it be possible you guys (the pilot group) are underestimating your leverage? It seems that often the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself. Now that union companies have been added to the mix of airlines under the Skywest organization I wonder if the company, should this offer be turned down, would come back with something more attractive to avoid the first union drive that may actually succeed.

What is there to lose?

That dog don't hunt, SKYW is no longer afraid of regional pilots, union or not. The XJET guys got stared down on a huge part of their contract, F&H didn't even break a sweat. SKYW has effectively divided the pilot group.....again, CAs vs F/Os, senior vs junior, CRJ vs EMB, this pilot group isn't bright enough to recognize the obvious. Prepare to be mounted and cornholed with abandon.
PBR

 

[imisscorplife]

voting no!!

 

[OCP]

The SAPA guys should be ashamed of themselves for letting this even go to a vote. Not only are we screwing ourselves, but we are being used to screw ASA/Expressjet.

There is a reason that this is being fast tracked. . . and its not generosity!

Not going to happen at ASA. Expressjet is more pro union than ASA is. If Inc. wants this thing to get together as fast as they do, then they will have to take the best of both contracts and live with it. That includes pay increases, but (hopefully) mostly QQL stuff. The best thing that SKY could do is vote this thing down. Whatever we get at the new ASA will be what you get within a year.

 

[PCL_128]

It seems that often the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself.

Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on....

The SAPA guys should be ashamed of themselves for letting this even go to a vote.

What choice do they have? The entire SAPA organization, such as it is, is funded by management. It isn't a separate entity. I'm sure the guys that hold SAPA office have the best of intentions and really want to make things better, but they have no power, and when management says "this is it, no more," what can they be expected to do?

 

[Raskal]

Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on....

I don't mean to come off as anti-union, I'm not, I was just wondering if their situation had more advantage than at first glance. After all, Delta seems downright terrified about their FA's and mechanics, scared enough to pay some serious legal coin for their suit.