SkyWest: Vote No and get more

[PBRstreetgang]

Looking from the outside, could it be possible you guys (the pilot group) are underestimating your leverage? It seems that often the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself. Now that union companies have been added to the mix of airlines under the Skywest organization I wonder if the company, should this offer be turned down, would come back with something more attractive to avoid the first union drive that may actually succeed.

What is there to lose?

That dog don't hunt, SKYW is no longer afraid of regional pilots, union or not. The XJET guys got stared down on a huge part of their contract, F&H didn't even break a sweat. SKYW has effectively divided the pilot group.....again, CAs vs F/Os, senior vs junior, CRJ vs EMB, this pilot group isn't bright enough to recognize the obvious. Prepare to be mounted and cornholed with abandon.
PBR

 

[imisscorplife]

voting no!!

 

[OCP]

The SAPA guys should be ashamed of themselves for letting this even go to a vote. Not only are we screwing ourselves, but we are being used to screw ASA/Expressjet.

There is a reason that this is being fast tracked. . . and its not generosity!

Not going to happen at ASA. Expressjet is more pro union than ASA is. If Inc. wants this thing to get together as fast as they do, then they will have to take the best of both contracts and live with it. That includes pay increases, but (hopefully) mostly QQL stuff. The best thing that SKY could do is vote this thing down. Whatever we get at the new ASA will be what you get within a year.

 

[PCL_128]

It seems that often the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself.

Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on....

The SAPA guys should be ashamed of themselves for letting this even go to a vote.

What choice do they have? The entire SAPA organization, such as it is, is funded by management. It isn't a separate entity. I'm sure the guys that hold SAPA office have the best of intentions and really want to make things better, but they have no power, and when management says "this is it, no more," what can they be expected to do?

 

[Raskal]

Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on....

I don't mean to come off as anti-union, I'm not, I was just wondering if their situation had more advantage than at first glance. After all, Delta seems downright terrified about their FA's and mechanics, scared enough to pay some serious legal coin for their suit.

 

[BHopper88]

As each day goes I am more for voting yes, then voting yes the next union drive. The more I look at the history of these "negotiations", if we vote it down, it will not change anything. The company can do what it chooses. If it means going to one list down the road or creating a REAL "SAPA" with skw/asa/xjt unions. As much as I want to vote no I just don't think it will do any good. Unity sucks and as a bro fo, we will never be thought of as an equal to a fo in the crj.

 

[skypine69]

As each day goes I am more for voting yes, then voting yes the next union drive. The more I look at the history of these "negotiations", if we vote it down, it will not change anything. The company can do what it chooses. If it means going to one list down the road or creating a REAL "SAPA" with skw/asa/xjt unions. As much as I want to vote no I just don't think it will do any good. Unity sucks and as a bro fo, we will never be thought of as an equal to a fo in the crj.

Were you on property for the last ALPA vote? If so, how did you vote?

 

[BHopper88]

No I wasn't here for the last drive.

 

[amcnd]

"Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on...."

The company has Fliped the bill plenty when it comes to that stuff. If they did'nt and just turned there heads im sure you would have heard it on here along time running..

 

[CFIT]

Tell that to the guy who gets violated and has no representation. Or the guy who loses his medical and has no Aeromedical service. And on, and on....

o?

I worked with a guy that was coming back from a medical leave, hit his head pretty bad in a surfing accident. Took a quite a while to get his medical back but used an aero medical guy that made it all happen. The doctor is also used often by ALPA.

SkyWest paid for the whole thing.

The guy had been here 9 months when it had happened.

 

[regionaltard]

SAPA will roll over, Jerry will scratch their tummies and say "good boys." Standard Briefing.

 

[difete]

Historically though, the thing gets voted no, then mgmnt comes in with another lesser proposal, and then they say yes, because they are afraid mngmnt will just walk away and there be nothing left to vote on.

I vote "yes". This is until real representation steps in, for now this SAPA is all we have, and this is the best they can achieve. Trust me, this offer is a good one compared to previous proposals we have had before.

 

[johnpeace]

Historically though, the thing gets voted no, then mgmnt comes in with another lesser proposal, and then they say yes, because they are afraid mngmnt will just walk away and there be nothing left to vote on.

It's a little surprising to me that this is the pattern, and yet your pilot group still resists inviting real representation...or even ALPA, which would be a lot more than what you presently have.

I don't get it...what could you POSSIBLY stand to lose (except for the 2% dues, which are worth it just for the aeromedical, legal and insurance support)?

 

[BHopper88]

Another idea is mgmt wants us to go union to save them the money they spend on sapa each year. If they can divide the pilot group in the process the more power for them. I think they don't care if we go union, too bad we can't be a unified pilot group.

 

[wms]

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