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One thing I can say with the utmost certainty -

General Lee's international flying makes him the man he his.

You're gonna have a rough ride Cowboy when/if you ever upgrade.

Gup

Really? I flew plenty of domestic stuff in my first 10 years, including on 3 types of 737s. I think I will do just fine, and most of the 737-800 trips have only one or two legs a day too. Jealous? I bet you are. Throw in first class meals too and now you are darn right angry. Ah, running to Pizza Hut in ELP between 25 min turns is healthy for you guys.....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Of course, what you meant to say was that no ETOPS-specific item can be broken, because while I don't have a DAL MEL in front of me, I'd have to guess that a 25-10 (psgr conv) isn't going to keep an ATL-CDG flight on the ground.

One good thing about our domestic network is that it's not very often that a SWA pilot has to decide whether he's going to divert into Narsarsuaq or not. :laugh:

Ummmm what? Can you have a broken APU across the Atlantic? Nope. Do you even know what an ETOPS check is before EACH crossing? That is a lot more than just a visual check by an FO. And you shouldn't be bragging about your SWA mx procedures, since the bad press lately points to some "interesting" stuff going on. Didn't you guys keep certain planes flying for months when they were supposed to be fixed? Weren't they older 733s? Should I look up the story for you? Oh wait, here it is:


From Drew Griffin and Scott Bronstein
CNN Special Investigations Unit

(CNN) -- Southwest Airlines tried to keep serious problems with its maintenance program hidden and pressured the Federal Aviation Administration to keep out an inspector who noticed the problems, according to two FAA inspectors who blew the whistle on the airline.
Bobby Boutris and Douglas Peters told CNN Wednesday they brought information about Southwest's lack of compliance with mandatory inspection protocols to their supervisors, but the FAA did nothing.
Boutris said the airline tried to have him removed from the inspections.

"My supervisor called me into his office ... and told me he had had a meeting with the director of quality assurance and the AD [airworthiness directive] compliance leader from Southwest Airlines, and he had requested my removal from the inspection," Boutris said.
Linda Rutherford, Southwest's public relations vice president, wouldn't comment on the inspectors' allegations, noting that company Chairman Herb Kelleher and CEO Gary Kelly would be testifying Thursday before a House panel convened to look into the issue.

"Out of respect for the congressional hearing process, we will present testimony there, both oral and in writing, that addresses many of the questions being asked," she said. "Out of respect for the committee hearing process, we need to let those questions wait for the committee."
CNN was unable to reach FAA for a comment Wednesday night, but earlier in the day, acting administrator Robert Sturgell would not discuss specifics of the Southwest matter.

"We had a breakdown in the system with SWA, It was a two-way breakdown," Sturgell said, without elaborating.
Boutris and Peters, along with representatives from the FAA, are also scheduled to testify at Thursday's House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which conducted an investigation after the two inspectors brought forward their concerns.
Peters said he doubted anything would have changed if he and Boutris had not spoken up.
"Bobby and I were not happy with the state of Southwest Airlines' maintenance program," Peters told CNN Wednesday. "We weren't happy. And we saw the airline was at risk due to the lax oversight. And because of this, we just weren't willing to accept anything other than sweeping change."
In early March, CNN obtained documents from the House committee investigation that alleged the discount airline kept dozens of aircraft in the air without mandatory inspections -- and in some cases, with defects the inspections were designed to detect.

Boutris and Peters said FAA managers knew the Southwest planes were flying illegally and did nothing about it, according to the documents.
The inspectors wrote that Southwest, which carried more passengers in the United States last year than any other airline, flew at least 70 planes without a mandatory inspection on the rudder unit, part of the steering mechanism, some of them as much as 30 months beyond the mandatory rudder inspection.

The airline also flew at least 47 planes beyond a mandatory inspection of the fuselage, or skin, of the planes for possible cracks, the inspectors said. When the inspections were carried out, six of the planes were found to have possibly dangerous cracks, they said.
Speaking with CNN Wednesday, Boutris questioned why the airline did not immediately ground those 47 planes when they learned they were out of compliance.

"It is sad that an FAA inspector has to become a whistle blower in order to do his job," Boutris told CNN. "And the job is -- that we were hired by the taxpayers -- to ensure the airlines provide safe transportation for the flying public. It shouldn't have to come to this."
Boutris and Peters are seeking protection via the federal whistle blower protection program.

After the initial revelations, the FAA proposed a $10.2 million fine -- its biggest ever against an airline -- against Southwest for flying Boeing 737s without mandatory checks for fuselage cracking. Later, the agency ordered its inspectors to ensure airlines were complying with 10 airworthiness directives -- orders to check or correct a known unsafe condition -- and to expand the review to include more directives thereafter.



Sturgell, speaking at a news conference Wednesday, said the audit showed 99 percent compliance with federal airworthiness directives. There is room for improvement, said Sturgell, adding he is proposing several initiatives to strengthen the reporting role and regulatory process.
The new reporting system is to be in place by April 30, he said.





YO SKC, clean up your own messes before criticizing others.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
14,111 posts and this is the best you can come up with? Your postings are inversely proportioned to your life outside this forum.
 
"Ummmm what? Can you have a broken APU across the Atlantic? Nope."

Unless Delta's specs. are different from the rest of the industry it is entirely possible to cross the Atlantic without an APU. Just takes a little more fuel.
 
General, you need to get up to speed on the non-APU procedures...

GL always hangs himself when given enough rope, every single time.
 
Really? I flew plenty of domestic stuff in my first 10 years, including on 3 types of 737s. I think I will do just fine, and most of the 737-800 trips have only one or two legs a day too. Jealous? I bet you are. Throw in first class meals too and now you are darn right angry. Ah, running to Pizza Hut in ELP between 25 min turns is healthy for you guys.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

This is where is say bull******************** as I cough. How many times have we had to hear about first class meals, naps in first and sundaes over Iceland?

I actually chuckle when I think about you flying into El Paso in your super duper Delta has better 737's than the rest of the world - cause you know damn well it's coming.

Too funny,
Gup
 
"Ummmm what? Can you have a broken APU across the Atlantic? Nope."

Unless Delta's specs. are different from the rest of the industry it is entirely possible to cross the Atlantic without an APU. Just takes a little more fuel.


Not really as simple as that, but if you want to label it that way. It is a big deal to add fuel, fly closer to land incase of an engine problem (The FAA doesn't want major elec problems over the Atlantic at night), etc. In most cases, APUs WORK, which is great. That is the difference. Good catch gomer pile.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Ummmm what? Can you have a broken APU across the Atlantic? Nope. Do you even know what an ETOPS check is







YO SKC, clean up your own messes before criticizing others.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually, yeah you can as long as you have the appropriate back ups like an HDG. But I agree with the general tone that more stuff is deferrable on the domestic side of things. 180+ minute ETOPS restricts the "licking and sticking".
 
This is where is say bull******************** as I cough. How many times have we had to hear about first class meals, naps in first and sundaes over Iceland?

I actually chuckle when I think about you flying into El Paso in your super duper Delta has better 737's than the rest of the world - cause you know damn well it's coming.

Too funny,
Gup

DL 737s don't go to ELP, MD88s do. And, although DL does have 737-800s and 737-700s, I don't think they are necessarily better than the rest of the world, but having First Class and the ability to eat some free food that is better than your kibble and bits at SWA, is a good thing. If you don't think so, well, your head must be spinning from your 5 legs yesterday between BWI and TUS. Too funny is right. Do you need a tissue?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Actually, yeah you can as long as you have the appropriate back ups like an HDG. But I agree with the general tone that more stuff is deferrable on the domestic side of things. 180+ minute ETOPS restricts the "licking and sticking".

That's what I mean, less things are allowed to be broken or deferred. You can't be like SWA and fly 47 planes with potential skin problems for months on end.


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Hey SWA guys---thanks for taking the EWR slots....

Bloomberg


Delta May Revive NYC Bid on Southwest at Newark, Analysts Say

By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein - Aug 31, 2010

Delta Air Lines Inc. may revive its bid to bulk up at New York’s LaGuardia airport after Southwest Airlines Co., the largest discount carrier, won the right to add service at nearby Newark, New Jersey, three analysts said.

Southwest’s expansion, announced last week, broadens competition in the busiest U.S. aviation market, said Helane Becker, an analyst at Dahlman Rose & Co. in New York. That opens the door for Delta to renew its case for more LaGuardia flight slots under a swap with US Airways Group Inc., she said.

New York is pivotal for Delta, which uses LaGuardia as a base for domestic flights and has an overseas hub at Kennedy airport. Delta and US Airways said in July they wouldn’t pursue their trade after the Federal Aviation Administration said they had to cede some operating rights to rivals. Southwest was excluded and urged regulators to kill the deal.

“Southwest is happy about Newark,” Becker said. “Now Delta and US Airways could go back to the FAA and say ‘Look, Southwest got what it wanted, so let us try again.’”

A Delta spokesman, Trebor Banstetter, wouldn’t discuss the airline’s LaGuardia strategy beyond saying that the Atlanta- based carrier is appealing the FAA decision. US Airways’ Jim Olson said: “We’re continuing to pursue our appeal.”

What’s new since Delta and US Airways walked away from their plan on July 2 is Southwest’s move into Newark. Dallas- based Southwest said Aug. 27 it would receive slots for 18 daily round trips there as UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc. scaled back to win approval of their merger.

‘New Fact’

“It’s certainly a new fact that should be taken into consideration,” said Jim Corridore, a Standard & Poor’s equity analyst in New York.

Flights are capped at LaGuardia and Washington’s Reagan National, so carriers must swap slots in order to grow. Delta, the biggest airline at LaGuardia, proposed in March getting 110 new flight slots there in exchange for giving 37 slots to US Airways at Reagan, along with routes to Tokyo and Sao Paulo.

The FAA wanted Delta and Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways to make available 34 pairs of takeoff and landing slots to carriers with little or no service at LaGuardia or Reagan, saying the airports needed more competition. The 2 airlines offered 19 1/2 pairs and chose recipients including AirTran Holdings Inc. and JetBlue Airways Corp. Southwest wasn’t on their list.

Delta and US Airways may seek a settlement with regulators to keep more flights on the grounds that Southwest’s new slots at Newark enhanced New York-area competition, said William Swelbar, a research engineer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who specializes in airline economics.

‘No Doubt’

“Those conversations will happen, there is no doubt about that,” Swelbar said.

Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, declined to comment on the matter because of the ongoing litigation.

Southwest, which has failed to obtain space for more than eight daily flights at LaGuardia, is “still very interested in getting more slots” there should they become available, said Beth Harbin, a spokeswoman. The airline has declined to disclose the terms of the Newark transaction.

Delta rose 9 cents to $10.46 at 4:01 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, while US Airways gained 17 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $9.04. Southwest climbed 6 cents to $11.05.

Swelbar said other airlines are watching the Delta-US Airways appeal because the outcome will set a precedent for future attempts at slot trading, he said.

‘So Altered’

“The terms of the Delta-US Airways deal were so altered that it raised the question as to whether these slots are the property rights of the owners or not,” Swelbar said. “We still don’t know. If Delta and US Airways win that appeal, it would be a tremendous win for the whole industry.”

The two airlines also may argue that while they couldn’t pick which carriers received their divested slots, the U.S. Justice Department let merger partners United and Continental do so with Southwest, said Bert Rein, a partner at Wiley Rein LLP in Washington who specializes in antitrust and aviation law.

Winning a court appeal isn’t a sure thing, he said. Nor is it clear that the FAA would see Southwest’s new slots at Newark as injecting enough competition to temper Delta’s No. 1 position at LaGuardia, he said.

“Even though the two airports compete and overlap, I don’t know if the FAA is going to say ‘Good enough,’” Rein said. “They may still be worried about airport dominance.”


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Gerneral,

Sucks when you can't pick your "competition", doesn't it?

Your wife just PMed me. She said your skirt is ready.

Gup
 
Frankfurt is a dump compared to Hamburg. Koln is my second favorite city, Gaffel Kolsch is da bomb! But LUV does have the 1-2-3 rule at their layover hotels, the Circus Circus in LAS is so much better after a few bottles of Bud!


1-2-3 went away....almost a year ago.

LAS is a pilot domicile....as of almost three years ago...and SWA does not schedule layovers in domiciles

Beyond that, I completely agree with your post! :D
 
Gerneral,

Sucks when you can't pick your "competition", doesn't it?

Your wife just PMed me. She said your skirt is ready.

Gup

Yeah, it does. Can you pick who you want to sell your house to? You can't? Sure doesn't sound fair to me, since DL bought those slots during the last auction, when you were still picking your azzes in ISP, PVD, and MHT. I have a feeling the courts may over-rule this DOT mandate, and then it will be funny. And, that wasn't my wife PMing you, it was your Mom and Sister. They said they were done kissing. Are you from a hillbilly family? Probably.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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