Southwest to Newark!

[StaySeated]

Along with EWR, the news of Mexicana closing the doors, may be time for SWA forget the Volairs and do it themselves. Order a bunch of -800's. There will be a huge gap left in flying to/from Mexico and some $$$ to be made. That should help the poolies. Interesting times ahead for SWA.

Mexicana only flew to 12 US cities.

Of those 12, all of them went through Mexico City.

5 go direct to Cancun.

6 go direct to Guadalajara.

Those are the only direct flights to and from the US. Mexicana was not a huge player, carried just over 11 million passengers in 2009.

 

[Ex737Driver]

LOL!

It has not been announced yet but I'd bet money on Chicago, Denver and Baltimore.

Gup

Good luck to BWI. You could walk the trip quicker than the time you will sit. Gonna have to be some longer routes. HOU, MDW, LAS, PHX, STL, etc. Unless of course CAL/UAL has put restrictions on where they can fly with the slots.

 

[satpak77]

Good for SWA. Congrats. Now I wonder where they will fly. My bet is West Coast (California), Vegas, or South Florida.

 

[fracpt]

For the poolies or anyone ele I am sure we are planning to only optimize not grow for a few more years.. we wish to make more money.. I would luv to see mexico or san juan but don't think that will happen for 5 years. this is only a guess.. hate to be a downer but my guess is we want atlanta first .. again only a WAG

 

[satpak77]

For the poolies or anyone ele I am sure we are planning to only optimize not grow for a few more years.. we wish to make more money.. I would luv to see mexico or san juan but don't think that will happen for 5 years. this is only a guess.. hate to be a downer but my guess is we want atlanta first .. again only a WAG

Gary Kelly on CNBC himself stated that "Mexico expansion was done via Volaris" or similar statement. I don't see SWA orange and blue planes on any ramps in Mexico.

 

[NEDude]

Well, if you think LGA is bad you're gonna have lots of fun in the red-haired stepchild airport of New York.

Just wait for the position and hold, delay for arriving ifr aircraft into linden, a C-172.

10 minutes later......

According to the folks at AOPA that never happens - GA never causes delays for airlines.

Seen it myself, five minute delay for an IFR King Air off of Linden.

 

[PSL]

Actually, the statements by AOPA are true. Just for the record, the drumbeating for equal access of corporate airplanes is not done by AOPA, it is the NBAA.

If you count the total number of T/Ls by FAR 121 Air Carriers at the major airports and note the ones that were 'delayed' by a Cessna 172 or Beech King Air, I believe you will find that number in the .001 range.

Most large airports deal with this issue by charging ramp and service fees that make the airport so painful to use by the average GA Pilot that they will seek reliever airports. BOS and MASSPORT were poster children of this policy as far back as 1985.

BWI is another classic example.

There is one FBO (Signature) which charges ramp fees and fuel prices that would cause heat attacks in healthy people.

They have, and have had for many years, a monopoly.

As a result, many GA airplane will seek out DMW, MTN, GAI or FDK. The drive to the city from MTN and FDK is slightly longer and if you are going to points west or northeast of BWI, the drive time is shorter.

The problem at EWR is the proximity of the reliever airports and their associated IFR approaches. There are times where EWR traffic gets affected by the mandatory protected areas and NORDO procedures of the very airports that should provide relief.

The FAA - ATC edict has always been, first come ... first serve. There are merits and costs (both financial and efficiency) to this modus operandi.

 

[Flopgut]

LOL!

It has not been announced yet but I'd bet money on Chicago, Denver and Baltimore.

Gup

You might consider not going where CAL/UAL currently goes. That way when/if we strike you can avoid flying struck work. That's probably one of the major reasons you all got this. That's the feeling I'm getting in my enormous gut....

Not that I think for even a nano second you guys would do that to us. Fact I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see some SWA guys walking our line with us.

 

[GuppyWN]

You might consider not going where CAL/UAL currently goes. That way when/if we strike you can avoid flying struck work. That's probably one of the major reasons you all got this. That's the feeling I'm getting in my enormous gut....

Not that I think for even a nano second you guys would do that to us. Fact I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see some SWA guys walking our line with us.

You'd better double check your ALPA definition of struck work. If WN flies from EWR to XYZ and so does CAL, it isn't stuck work. Struck work is flying CAL passengers on CAL tickets on SWA jets.

I can PROMISE you that I would never do that. Matter of fact you let me know when and where you boys are picketing and I'll bring my enormous gut over and walk with you.

I had no idea you guys were even pissed off. What gives?

Gup

 

[scoreboardII]

yeah,I heard the UAL/CAL deal was all love fest? This from a UAL jumpseater and a CAL guy.