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I'm not mean, I just really don't get why people work for regionals. I did it when I had no time. You have 4,500 hours in the right seat. You have time, so now why do it?

Is upgrade right around the corner?

My post got yanked so I guess some mod agreed with you. My intent was not to tear down regionals to make myself feel better. It was to tear down regionals to help them realalize there are other avenues and paths to take in aviation.

Fly safe,
gp
 
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I didn't yank your post because of the content, I yanked your post because of the profanity in the first paragraph.

You can repost it, minus the profanity, if you like. I don't make moderator judgments on post content outside the ToS, although I occasionally reserve the right to chime in personally. ;)
 
Lear, I see that now. We were posting ontop of each other.
 
Wouldn't it be lovely if we could all just leave the regionals for something better whenever we felt like it...?
 
I'm not mean, I just really don't get why people work for regionals. I did it when I had no time. You have 4,500 hours in the right seat. You have time, so now why do it?

First of all you ARE MEAN and you are condescending and you are self-righteous. I have read many of your posts here. You have such a grudge against the regionals and attack and insult people who work for them, especially American Eagle. As regionals go, we probably have the best pay, schedules and work rules out there.

To answer your question, people work for regionals because:

A) They want to. Some people such as myself LIKE the airlines, get great schedules and more time AT HOME than you do. A lot more and I'm never gone for more than three days. 7-day trips? Forget that man! We enjoy nice hotels, a company that rarely if ever calls us during rest periods or days off, cannot punish us for being sick or fatigued. NO CDOs, NO all-night flying. The latest I've ever parked a plane here, by schedule is about 11pm. Plus I have a union that will not allow the company to punish me without extremely good reason and will fight to get my job back if I am terminated. If I call in sick, the company cannot even ask me what's wrong!

Unlike your company, my upgrade is by SENIORITY and not who the Chief Pilot likes best. Our schedules are awarded by seniority. When my number is up to be captain, I will be a captain even if the CP and CEO and BOD don't like it. Tough. And my seat cannot be taken away from me except by displacement which effects everybody. I feel VERY secure here at AE.

B) The pilot job market blows. For the people that want to move on, where do you suggest they go? Not even your crappy little 200-pilot, no-money making company is hiring. According to the RAA, there are 21,000 pilots working for the regionals. You're so insistent that they leave, where do you suggest they go? And without turning their lives upside down so don't give me this Emirates or Vietnam Air nonsense. Some people value their homes and families.

Is upgrade right around the corner?

For me it is but I probably won't take it for a while. I'll wait until I can hold a line as captain. Not everybody wants or needs your precious PIC time. Why can't you understand that people are different than you and have different wants and needs.

Not everybody is 25. I'm 46 and not looking to change jobs any more if I can help it. A lot of guys 45+ feel that way. That's a GOOD thing for the 30 year-old pilot. He won't have to compete with people like me for that job at a Major or a Fractional that actually pays well, unlike yours.

My intent was.... to tear down regionals to help them realalize there are other avenues and paths to take in aviation.

Why do you feel the need to "tear down." Do you think pilots are so dumb that we need YOU to tell us what else is out there. We know what's out there, we know the state of the industry right now. The fact that not everyone wants YOUR job just galls you for some reason.

People should be allowed to work where they want without being degraded from by a self-righteous jerk who makes half of what his fractional counterpart PICs make yest still brags about his laughable pay. Captains at Flex and NJ make $140,000. Their FOs make more than you, hahahaha!!!

Lastly, you are a Fractional Pilot, so WHY must you spend so much time berating us in the Regional forum. Go to the Fractional forum and leave us alone!
 
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And Im mean? Sheesh...

Fine, fly for regionals. I still don't get it, but hey, this is America. Do what ya like.


I do get it that right now would be tough to go. But even a few years ago it would have been easy. With that said, with hind sight many who did maybe should have stayed as now they're furloughed in a very bad time to be furloughed.

As to why do I still come here? I guess the same reason people drive by the house they grew up in. Just to see how it's holding up and reminise.

You have some valid points. I'll try to be nicer...

Fly safe,

gp
 
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What's wrong with profanity? I received my e-mail from Air-Apps exactly 5 weeks from interview. I can re-apply in 6 months. Is that 6 months from initial application(Jan.),6 months from interview(Feb),or 6 months from e-mail(March). What month can I re-apply?
 
I'm not mean, I just really don't get why people work for regionals. I did it when I had no time. You have 4,500 hours in the right seat. You have time, so now why do it?

Is upgrade right around the corner?

My post got yanked so I guess some mod agreed with you. My intent was not to tear down regionals to make myself feel better. It was to tear down regionals to help them realalize there are other avenues and paths to take in aviation.

Fly safe,
gp

Ya, I'm holding my breath for SWA to be in awe of my 5000hrs right seat RJ time and put me in the hiring pool. I have an app in at DAL, and CAL. No bites. Maybe UPS/FedEx? Ive applied to jetblue, VX, Airtran. Overseas to CX, contractors in the desert, Emirates, etc. RJ SIC is worthless in terms of job prospects.
 
Ya, I'm holding my breath for SWA to be in awe of my 5000hrs right seat RJ time and put me in the hiring pool. I have an app in at DAL, and CAL. No bites. Maybe UPS/FedEx? Ive applied to jetblue, VX, Airtran. Overseas to CX, contractors in the desert, Emirates, etc. RJ SIC is worthless in terms of job prospects.

That's not necessarily true if no PIC is required. It's just that PIC applicants are plentiful right now.
 
Lack of upgrades aside, I think we have the best work rules and schedules in the business.

When management sees or hears a comment like that, do you really expect to get anything other than the status quo or concessions rammed down your throat during contract negotiation time? Look at Jazz's new contract. Anything less than that for the next regional that signs a contract is unacceptable. You think after nearly 10 years as an FO you'd be irate that you still are not earning a livable wage as an airline pilot.

I guess management really has everyone thinking what they have is acceptable, kinda like Stockholm's Syndrome. Where after so long of being beaten and abused, even the slightest kind act from management makes them appear like heroes. Wake up people! The fact that Eagle's work rules and schedules are the nest in the business, is a horrifying commentary on the state of this business and our profession.
 
I'll agree with you on that. Keep your head up, latest flow shows seniority #1600 got an upgrade. Things are moving in the right direction.

How many more upgrades will be needed before the 22 CRJ's that are being delivered are fully staffed? Because after that, it's GAME OVER for upgrades at Eagle. Those deliveries are the only reason there is even the slightest bit of movement there. Nobody leaves Eagle. The only way to get an Eagle CA out of the cockpit for good, is to pry his cold dead hands from the control column, and remove his beaten and battered body (as a result of typical AMR abuse of labor) and allow him to take his flight west.


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I'm 46 and not looking to change jobs any more if I can help it. A lot of guys 45+ feel that way.

Yeah, but those guys 45+ sure aint RJ FO's. Good Grief!!! 46 years old and taking home 2500 bucks a month? That's insanity, and should be criminal. You are not going to be able to own a home, raise a family, put the kids through college, save for retirement (since apparently we don't deserve pensions) and take care of the most basic of human needs. The only way is if you are married and your spouse is the bread winner. I don't know where you RJ FO's find these women willing to bear the brunt of the financial burden. I just don't know how a woman can respect that at the end of the day.
 
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How many more upgrades will be needed before the 22 CRJ's that are being delivered are fully staffed? Because after that, it's GAME OVER for upgrades at Eagle. Those deliveries are the only reason there is even the slightest bit of movement there. Nobody leaves Eagle. The only way to get an Eagle CA out of the cockpit for good, is to pry his cold dead hands from the control column, and remove his beaten and battered body (as a result of typical AMR abuse of labor) and allow him to take his flight west.




Yeah, but those guys 45+ sure aint RJ FO's. Good Grief!!! 46 years old and taking home 2500 bucks a month? That's insanity, and should be criminal. You are not going to be able to own a home, raise a family, put the kids through college, save for retirement (since apparently we don't deserve pensions) and take care of the most basic of human needs. The only way is if you are married and your spouse is the bread winner. I don't know where you RJ FO's find these women willing to bear the brunt of the financial burden. I just don't know how a woman can respect that at the end of the day.

Pipe boy here is some advice. Take some of your huge pay check you think you earn and read up on some finance. Heck, you probably pay somebody to advise you. (those guys are great, if they knew so much they wouldn't be financial advisors) Maybe you could understand a very simple book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" to start. I bought my first new house as an FO on the Saab in 2004. I then bought by second new house in 2007 as an RJ FO. I sold both for a profit. You probably interchange the words rich and wealthy because you really just don't get it. Good luck.
 
You probably interchange the words rich and wealthy because you really just don't get it. Good luck.

Yes I do!! Go look up both words in the dictionary, and you'll see each uses the other in their definitions. Here I am trying to fight for fair wages, and you insist on telling everybody things are just fine. That you can live quite well on FO pay. As a general rule, what I said in my earlier post is fact. Some people are able to find a way to get by on their regional FO wages, but they are very few and far between. Most need significant financial help from parents, grandparents, spouse etc. You leave a lot of your history to the imagination. It certainly is none of anybody's business here, how you get by. Perhaps your college education and flight training were paid for by the folks, scholarships, or perhaps you are a career changer who actually earned a livable wage in another profession. Your story is full of holes and I really don't believe anyone who paid for their own 4 year education and flight training, and who gets absolutely no financial assistance from relatives, girlfriend, spouse (including cosigners on loans), can afford a home and live solely on their regional FO wages. The numbers just don't add up.

The average regional FO grosses between 30-35 grand a year. Even including per diem, it is rare to take home more than 2500 a month. The average is between 1500 to 2000 take home. Even the cheapest of mortgages is going to cost you 1000 a month, especially if you live in domicile as we should expect to be paid enough to do so. Food expenses are going to run 300 to 400. What about gas and tolls to work? Just because you may not have to pay much gas and tolls, ask a NYC pilot about that. At least 100 to 200 a month there. Just those three items have taken you over 1500, and very near 2 grand. Add car insurance, property taxes, homeowners insurance, electric, home heating expenses, upkeep on the home, and other things that life throws at you that could cost you money like medical expenses etc etc.

So you see, I just don't buy that you are getting by on your regional FO pay alone. Oh, and how could I forget student loans. For most, they are at least 200 to 300 a month as well. Impossible to handle all that while taking home 2 grand a month. Please stop defending the abhorrent and unprofessional wages paid to regional FO's. It is shocking to me that a real pilot can defend them. I think you must be a management troll!
 
Pipe boy here is some advice. Take some of your huge pay check you think you earn and read up on some finance. Heck, you probably pay somebody to advise you.


Oh, and I had to address this comment. What the he*l are you talking about? Just because I think regional FO pay is laughable, means I think I take home a huge pay check? There are very few pilots that take home huge pay checks these days. And they are the guys that do the least amount of work, as ironic as that is. The wide body CA's working 9 days a month going overseas 3 times a month with 21 days off. Not guys like you and I who are working 18 days a month with 12 off.
 
Working harder for less money...

That's not ironic, that's the way the world works. Look at a restaurant and compare the work and pay of the manager and dishwasher.

Deck seamen and the ship captain,

Paralegal and partner lawyer,

Orderly and surgeon,

Roadie and rock star,

This could go forever...
 

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