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http://www.flightglobal.com/article...gin-america-signs-mou-for-up-to-60-a320s.html

FARNBOROUGH: Virgin America signs MoU for up to 60 A320s
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Virgin America has signed a memorandum of understanding for up to 60 Airbus A320s.
Its agreement, disclosed at the Farnborough Air Show, covers 40 firm and 20 optioned jets.
The aircraft would be delivered from 2013, says the carrier.
No engine selection has been given.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/06/24/343674/virgin-america-shrinks-1q-losses.html
Virgin America shrinks 1Q losses

San Francisco-based Virgin America narrowed its losses year-over-year for the first quarter, posting a $35.5 million loss versus a $40.3 million loss for the year prior.
The carrier's operating loss for the first quarter of 2010 was $21.6 million, an improvement from the $31.6 million posted a year ago. In a statement outlining its first quarter financial performance Virgin America claims if fuel prices remained constant year-over-year, it would have generated an operating profit during the first quarter.
The average cost per gallon of fuel for Virgin America in the first quarter grew 72% year-over-year as it consumption increased 27%.
During the first three months of 2010 Virgin America hedged 70% of its fuel consumption, and for the remainder of the year has hedged 85% of its projected consumption at an average crude call strike of $85 per barrel.
The carrier posted a 46% rise in revenues during the first quarter to $146 million as unit revenues grew by 21% to 8.29 cents.
Virgin America's overall expenses increased 28% year-over-year driven largely by fuel costs. Its unit cost excluding fuel fell 11% to 6.43 cents.
While its operating margin remains negative, Virgin America did improve that line item by 16 points to negative 15%.
The carrier's traffic grew 31% during the quarter on 27% growth in scheduled capacity, which led to a 4 percentage point rise in load factor to 76%.
Carrier CEO David Cush says despite the rise in Virgin America's fuel costs, "our top line progress continues to exceed our expectations and we remain on track for full year operating profit in 2010".
Virgin America ended the first quarter with $28 million in restricted cash and total liquidity of $102 million.

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...n-america-seeks-approval-to-serve-mexico.html

Virgin America seeks approval to serve Mexico
By Dan Webb
Virgin America announced on 29 June it will file with the US Department of Transportation (DOT) for authority to begin flying to Mexico later this year from its Los Angeles and San Francisco focus cities.
The San Francisco-based carrier intends to fly to Cancun from Los Angeles and San Francisco, and also hopes to receive the authority to fly to San Jose Del Cabo from San Francisco.
"The nice thing about Mexico is that it helps balance out our network. There is strong traffic to these beaches in the first quarter which is our weakest quarter," Virgin America CEO David Cush told ATI today on a flight celebrating the launch of its new Toronto service.
Schedules in the Innovata database show that United currently flies to Cancun from San Francisco, and Delta, United, and Mexicana fly there from Los Angeles. Alaska Airlines recently ceased service on 6 June.
"I think that's more of a network strategy that Alaska has than any comment on the market," says Cush. "We've looked at the numbers, we think it will be successful." He notes that he thinks Alaska has been focusing on "redirecting their network to Hawaii".
The airline will face competition from Alaska Airlines and United Airlines on the San Francisco - Cabo route.
Cush explains that all of the routes have open route authorities and that "we're quite optimistic that we'll get approval for these and get them quickly".
The current bilateral agreement between the USA and Mexico only allows three American carriers to have authority for a route. There are currently three US Airlines - United, American, and Alaska - that are flying from Los Angeles to Cabo, for example.
According to a regulatory filing submitted to the DOT, Virgin America's proposed service from Los Angeles to Cancun and from San Francisco to Cabo will operate five times weekly. Flights from San Francisco to Cancun will run three times weekly.
 
Skybus orders 65 A319s!
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1161853212.html

October 26, 2006
Airbus said on Thursday that US low cost airline Skybus had signed a firm contract to buy 65 Airbus A319 planes.
The first A319 will be delivered in late 2008.
"The Airbus A319 is a 'state of the art' aircraft" said Ken Gile, Skybus President. "It fits perfectly with our business model, which includes high utilization of aircraft and quick turnaround times on the ground."
Airbus officials said the Skybus order was among the largest ever received from a startup US-based carrier.
"It is exciting to get in on the ground floor of such a promising operation as Skybus," said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer. "It has been a few years since an order of this meaning and magnitude has come from a low-cost start-up airline. It's a true testament to the airline's confidence in our product and our people."
The A319 is the third derivative in the popular Airbus A320 family, which has generated firm orders for more than 4,500 aircraft from 166 customers. The standard A319 seats 124 passengers.
Financial terms of the order were not announced.

(Reuters)

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PHOENIX, Oct. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- America West Airlines, Inc. (NYSE: AWA) announced today an agreement in principle to acquire up to 34 new aircraft from Airbus Industrie. This new order replaces an order for 24 aircraft that was entered into in 1990.
Twenty-four of the aircraft will be A320s, 12 of which are subject to cancellation. The balance of 10 aircraft will be A319s and/or A321s at the airline's option. All three aircraft are common type-rated, simplifying flight crew assignments, training and maintenance. America West has not named an engine supplier. …



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On November 6, 1996, just following the re-branding to US Airways, US Airways placed an order for up to 400 Airbus A320-series narrowbody aircraft, with 120 firm orders at the time of the order signing. At the time, it was regarded as the largest single aircraft order in history. In 1998, they followed that up with an order for up to 30 Airbus A330-series or A340-series widebody aircraft, with an initial firm order for 7 A330-300 aircraft. These orders accomplished two goals. They allowed US Airways to replace older aircraft with newer, more efficient aircraft, and they also helped with the re-branding and repositioning of US Airways as the "Global Carrier of Choice".

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This is great news!

Although I don't work for VA, I feel obligated to help VA survive by helping anyway I can.

It's tough for a start-up to pay an adequate salary to pilots to live near their job at places like SFO for VA. I just feel obligated as a legacy union pilot to give a non-union VA pilot a free jumpseat ride to work since he probably can't afford to live near VA's SFO crewbase.

they need help. Everybody should do their part to chip in. :erm:
 
This is great news!

Although I don't work for VA, I feel obligated to help VA survive by helping anyway I can.

It's tough for a start-up to pay an adequate salary to pilots to live near their job at places like SFO for VA. I just feel obligated as a legacy union pilot to give a non-union VA pilot a free jumpseat ride to work since he probably can't afford to live near VA's SFO crewbase.

they need help. Everybody should do their part to chip in. :erm:

No kidding-and when you're furloughed from your major job in a few years due to their predatory fares/routes, maybe they'll give you a preferential interview. Then again, like now, they won't look at furloughees knowing that they'll leave if things get better elsewhere. ALK should pay no attention to them-they're Skybus II.
 
Hey C150ETOPS,

I caught your drift. Just so you know, just about everybody here is a former union pilot, with a good number of "legacy union pilots" on board.

Will we eventually unionize? Time will tell. Right now we are too small to go it alone, and ALPO has certainly not thrown out the welcome mat with their past DOT filings. Until then getting us up to pay parity is simply supply and demand in the hiring and retention of pilots. I sure want a raise, and want one for you as well. You are allowing your greedy management to hide behind the "look at them game" without acknowledging the fact none of us has much leverage until hiring resumes industry wide.

To hint at jump seat shenanigans is pretty juvenile. We carry quite a few legacy pilots to and from work and are happy to do it. We are very generous with the movies and meals and take all the jump seat riders we have seats for without any priority or limit restrictions found at some other carriers. Try us, you will see some happy customers and hard working FAs on your ride to/from work.
 
So I think I read that right. They lost $20 million for Q2 and only have about $20 million left in the bank.

Ahhhh....

That's just Crazy talk!!! Sir Richard is placing the order, so all is calm, nothing to see here.

I remember this monkey 2 years ago who I thought looked and acted as a VA Flight attendant with the stripes pinned on his collar BRAG to me about how VA was getting A340's from Sir Richard and "We are going to give United a 'run' in the Pacific!" Freaking tool......

I hope they shut down soon.....The only idiots adding capacity....
 
Was that you Cramden??

HEY MODS....GET THIS THREAD TO THE LCCs WHERE IT BELONGS.

If they had a "bottom-feeder" topic, it would be best there!
 
I remember this monkey 2 years ago who I thought looked and acted as a VA Flight attendant with the stripes pinned on his collar BRAG to me about how VA was getting A340's from Sir Richard and "We are going to give United a 'run' in the Pacific!" Freaking tool......

I hope they shut down soon.....The only idiots adding capacity....

Let me guess ... he was a former JB pilot.
 
We carry quite a few legacy pilots to and from work and are happy to do it. We are very generous with the movies and meals and take all the jump seat riders we have seats for without any priority or limit restrictions found at some other carriers. Try us, you will see some happy customers and hard working FAs on your ride to/from work.

You do all of that because you have to. To ensure you stay on the good side of the masses. Not because you want to. Your commuters have much more to lose than the legacy ones do.

You're JB, circa 2000-2008.
 
No Bill, it wasn't me. I'm a gray hair and just politely ask for a ride and never forget to thank the crew afterward. Just like the guys I carry in and out of SEA all the time. Thanks for playing though!

If that person really existed they were wrong. Our Virgin franchise does not allow Pacific flying outside of the USA.

And thank God we got rid of the silly collar bars. What a PITA they were.
 
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Hey C150ETOPS,

I caught your drift. Just so you know, just about everybody here is a former union pilot, with a good number of "legacy union pilots" on board.

Ralph,

I'm not in support of any "jumpseat wars" or any juvenile retaliations. I know VA is new and agree that it is tough to get on your feet with a union with a new company like VA and a small pilot group.

I do believe there shouldn't be an unlimited amount of time for a pilot group to use OA jumpseats as a non-union airline. A WAG for me would be once a non-union airline surpasses 300 pilots in size, they'd get 3 years to organize and certify a union. If not, their jumpseat agreements with union carriers dies. Far as I'm concerned, JBLU and VA should be respectfully given notice tomorrow that a 3 year clock has started.

P.S. I realize the lunacy of certain union carriers that pay less and have worse QWL than JBLU or VA.
 
Ahhhh....

...I hope they shut down soon.....The only idiots adding capacity....

Maybe not the only ones...

From the DAL CEO:

"...But Delta’s chief executive, Richard H. Anderson, indicated on a conference call with analysts on Monday that Delta’s capacity would grow 5 to 7 percent in the fourth quarter to make up for last year’s sharp pullback. He also forecast capacity growth of 1 to 3 percent in 2011. Delta is not planning to increase the number of planes it has; rather, it wants to fly them more often."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/20air.html?partner=yahoofinance
 
Ralph,

I'm not in support of any "jumpseat wars" or any juvenile retaliations. I know VA is new and agree that it is tough to get on your feet with a union with a new company like VA and a small pilot group.

I do believe there shouldn't be an unlimited amount of time for a pilot group to use OA jumpseats as a non-union airline. A WAG for me would be once a non-union airline surpasses 300 pilots in size, they'd get 3 years to organize and certify a union. If not, their jumpseat agreements with union carriers dies. Far as I'm concerned, JBLU and VA should be respectfully given notice tomorrow that a 3 year clock has started.

P.S. I realize the lunacy of certain union carriers that pay less and have worse QWL than JBLU or VA.


I thought you were not in support of jumpseat wars? So any Union count if is not ALPA are you going to deny AMR, SWA, F9, Any teamsters carrier. Sure a lot of Mainline pilots in the JS on companies like SkyW would hate to see them not get to work since much of the flying is on RJ's now. To each there own but to deny a fellow pilot the jumpseat is pathetic. I didn't asked to be furloughed does that mean you will deny me!
 
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I thought you were not in support of jumpseat wars? So any Union count if is not ALPA are you going to deny AMR, SWA, F9, Any teamsters carrier. Sure a lot of Mainline pilots in the JS on companies like SkyW would hate to see them not get to work since much of the flying is on RJ's now. To each there own but to deny a fellow pilot the jumpseat is pathetic. I didn't asked to be furloughed does that mean you will deny me!


Yep, it's the way ALPA national rolls.........

It's their way of serving the pilot community?
 
I thought you were not in support of jumpseat wars? So any Union count if is not ALPA are you going to deny AMR, SWA, F9, Any teamsters carrier. Sure a lot of Mainline pilots in the JS on companies like SkyW would hate to see them not get to work since much of the flying is on RJ's now. To each there own but to deny a fellow pilot the jumpseat is pathetic. I didn't asked to be furloughed does that mean you will deny me!

I don't care what union a pilot group is affiliated with. Become a branch of the Association of Dog Walkers, I don't care. Have a crappy initial contract, I don't care, just make the effort and get to that first step of certifying a union with the Department of Labor.

Read my post again. My "3 year" limit starts tomorrow or sometime in the future with Carrier XYZ, not sometime in the past.

Hope that makes it a little more clear. By the way, I'm not ALPA.
 
It's not even a real order.

It's just an MOU.

Subject to change, ratification and more importantly a down payment.
 
Maybe not the only ones...

From the DAL CEO:

"...But Delta’s chief executive, Richard H. Anderson, indicated on a conference call with analysts on Monday that Delta’s capacity would grow 5 to 7 percent in the fourth quarter to make up for last year’s sharp pullback. He also forecast capacity growth of 1 to 3 percent in 2011. Delta is not planning to increase the number of planes it has; rather, it wants to fly them more often."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/20air.html?partner=yahoofinance

Hey TZ.....

All those airplanes were pulled out of service 2 years ago when VA had one plane. The capacity rise comes from planes back from the desert, that's it!

Nobody on my side of the house is running around Farnborough purchasing 60 jets or anything.....
 
No Jumpseat wars.....UNSAT!

They can get enough $hit when people see them in the terminal and see those "hip" unis.
 
So I think I read that right. They lost $20 million for Q2 and only have about $20 million left in the bank.

No you read it wrong. Q2 results have not been released. As of the last financial report, Q1, we had $28 million in cash and $108 million in total liquidity. Also as of Q1, financials were ahead of planned and were on track for a total year profit. Funny how everyone seems to forget that last part when predicting our demise - our financial performance is ahead of expectations and we will make a profit for the year.
 
No Jumpseat wars.....UNSAT!

They can get enough $hit when people see them in the terminal and see those "hip" unis.


Have yet to hear anything negative said about the uniforms other than here on FI. Are you guys pilots or auditioning for new episodes of 'Queer eye for the straight guy' with all your fashion sense?
 
Ding Ding Ding!

It's not even a real order.

It's just an MOU.

Subject to change, ratification and more importantly a down payment.

Virgin America Signs MOU for 40 More Airbus A320 Aircraft

News >> Civil Aviation >> Sales & Contracts Released on Thursday, July 22, 2010



Virgin America set to acquire 40 more Airbus A320 Aircraft
Virgin America and Airbus signed a non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for 40 Airbus A320 aircraft today at the Farnborough International Air Show.


The order will triple Virgin America's fleet going forward. The airline indicated it would announce its choice of engines for the additional aircraft once the purchase agreement is finalized.

"The low operating costs and cabin comfort of the A320 fit our growth plans as well as our guests' high expectations for comfort, style and efficiency in their travel," said Virgin America President and CEO David Cush.

"A repeat order from Virgin America � a U.S. airline growing quickly both in terms of their route network and their reputation for excellent service � is a great affirmation of the benefits of operating the A320 Family," said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer, Customers. "We are very pleased they have chosen to expand their reach with even more of our aircraft, and we look forward to continuing to support their Airbus fleet."

Virgin America already operates 28 Airbus aircraft (10 A319s and 18 A320s) and will put a total of 22 more purchased and leased A320s into service by the end of 2012. Once finalized, the MoU announced today would expand the Virgin America fleet to a total of 90 Airbus aircraft.

What better way for both Airbus and Virgin America to come away with some big press releases.

My understanding of a non-binding MOU is that nothing is required to be exercised and no money is lost if they are not. No surprise the official Virgin America Press Release (even the one released internally prior) spin this as much as possible that they are orders while all of the actual aviation news companies clearly report it for what it is...a possible order.
 
Yeah Branson isn't exactly press shy.

Got to make a little noise at the Air Show.

Anything is possible. Time will tell.
 
doesn't this belong on the LCC board?

Yay, 400 more of the worst paid, non-union, pilots in this country get to be added to the dime-a-dozen ranks.
 
doesn't this belong on the LCC board?

Yay, 400 more of the worst paid, non-union, pilots in this country get to be added to the dime-a-dozen ranks.

WN was once here as was B6.....tick, tock, tick, tock....
 

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