Mesaba says it will be an asset transfer

[buscap]

None of my business, but this is definitely an opportunity for bar raising at the regional level. The two pilot groups can cooperate on making the most of the merger or limiting the whipsaw, depending on whether or not the parent company keeps them separate.

Or the two groups can fight like short-minded idiots and make US AIRWAYS look like a nice synergistic event.

My advice is, follow the example of the Delta pilots. The Merger with NWA seemed to work out very much in the favor of the NWA group, disproportionate to the respective size and financial condition of the two carriers. But the Delta group seemed to be very determined to maintain a long term focus about the whole thing. At least that's my take on it, based on jumpseat conversations.

Pragmatism ruled the day, rather than a petty get-mine mentality.

But of course it's all a moot point until the company actually lays out their plans, which clearly has not happened. Until then, your best hope lies in your respective MECs becoming kissy-kissy buddies in the tradition of Brokeback Mountain. We're talking swapping out pitcher and catcher here people!!!

 

[avrorj-85]

Maybe our three pilot groups could just call Comair and see if use the merger money they have been saving up!! It doesn't look like they are going to be using it any time soon! (just kidding for all you Comair folks)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

None of my business, but this is definitely an opportunity for bar raising at the regional level. The two pilot groups can cooperate on making the most of the merger or limiting the whipsaw, depending on whether or not the parent company keeps them separate.

Or the two groups can fight like short-minded idiots and make US AIRWAYS look like a nice synergistic event.

My advice is, follow the example of the Delta pilots. The Merger with NWA seemed to work out very much in the favor of the NWA group, disproportionate to the respective size and financial condition of the two carriers. But the Delta group seemed to be very determined to maintain a long term focus about the whole thing. At least that's my take on it, based on jumpseat conversations.

Pragmatism ruled the day, rather than a petty get-mine mentality.

But of course it's all a moot point until the company actually lays out their plans, which clearly has not happened. Until then, your best hope lies in your respective MECs becoming kissy-kissy buddies in the tradition of Brokeback Mountain. We're talking swapping out pitcher and catcher here people!!!

That is true and would be nice if that worked here. But the difference was Delta/NWA management stated right from the start they wanted the pilots on board before going ahead with the merger.
Pinnacle/Mesaba have been making it very clear they are NOT interested in a merger or interested in the pilots being on board with things. They don't care how we comingle ourselves as long as it's kept as 2 separate groups (the ones that follow the jets onto Pinnacles list/contract and the other that stays behind to merge with Colgan) in the end which they will then be able to play against each other, no thanks.

 

[bri5150]

Pinnacle/Mesaba have been making it very clear they are NOT interested in a merger or interested in the pilots being on board with things. They don't care how we comingle ourselves as long as it's kept as 2 separate groups (the ones that follow the jets onto Pinnacles list/contract and the other that stays behind to merge with Colgan) in the end which they will then be able to play against each other, no thanks.

Where is everyone getting this stuff? I haven't heard anything "very clear" about 2 lists. In fact, I have heard people talking about managment hinting at an integrated list. Yes, there will be 2 companies. Yes, there may be 2 "groups", but you will be able to bid between "groups" when your seniority can hold it. At least that is what we are trying to do. I am as skeptical as anyone about this mess, but I have honestly not heard one bit of negative talk towards the pilot groups from any of the managment teams. Maybe I am missing a memo or something. Well, off to check the status board I guess.

 

[kellwolf]

Where is everyone getting this stuff? I haven't heard anything "very clear" about 2 lists. In fact, I have heard people talking about managment hinting at an integrated list. Yes, there will be 2 companies. Yes, there may be 2 "groups", but you will be able to bid between "groups" when your seniority can hold it. At least that is what we are trying to do. I am as skeptical as anyone about this mess, but I have honestly not heard one bit of negative talk towards the pilot groups from any of the managment teams. Maybe I am missing a memo or something. Well, off to check the status board I guess.

Unless Pinnacle Corp has had a huge change of heart since the scope fight between Pinnacle and Colgan, I find it hard to believe they want one seniority list and two different certs a la Republic. It would be much better for the pilots of all three groups if it was one list with fences/seat locks allowing transfer between lists, but that would be a dream situation. Given management's past stance on SLIs between 9E and 9L, I'm not hopeful.

 

[SEVEN]

Unless Pinnacle Corp has had a huge change of heart since the scope fight between Pinnacle and Colgan, I find it hard to believe they want one seniority list and two different certs a la Republic. It would be much better for the pilots of all three groups if it was one list with fences/seat locks allowing transfer between lists, but that would be a dream situation. Given management's past stance on SLIs between 9E and 9L, I'm not hopeful.

It's not up to Pinnacle Management, it's up to the judge/mediator if there is not consensus on an agreement between ALPA and Management. If there is not a fair deal overall, our MEC and the lawyers will be glad to drag this thing on for years to come. Don't think Phillip wants that in this case.

 

[kellwolf]

It's not up to Pinnacle Management, it's up to the judge/mediator if there is not consensus on an agreement between ALPA and Management. If there is not a fair deal overall, our MEC and the lawyers will be glad to drag this thing on for years to come. Don't think Phillip wants that in this case.

The arbitrator already ruled on it for 9E/9L. We lost. What would your ALPA lawyers have done differently than our ALPA lawyers? I think you underestimate Phil and his lack of caring on if things drag on. As long as he gets his bonus, he doesn't really care.

 

[SEVEN]

The arbitrator already ruled on it for 9E/9L. We lost. What would your ALPA lawyers have done differently than our ALPA lawyers? I think you underestimate Phil and his lack of caring on if things drag on. As long as he gets his bonus, he doesn't really care.

The difference is that Phil wanted to stall in the 9E negotiations. He wants to move quikly on this new venture. Mesaba pilots are content and are generally unpleased with the new takeover from 9E. We will be glad to stall and remain status quo unless we are ALL treated fairly in the new deal.

 

[mesaba13]

Mesaba has said that they are temporarily taking on a couple 9E CRJ's, but now I heard in the crewroom that is way more than a couple?

 

[jkurtfly]

Mesaba has said that they are temporarily taking on a couple 9E CRJ's, but now I heard in the crewroom that is way more than a couple?

Don't believe it untill they are on property. We all know how we were supposed to get 15 900's. And if we do get 200's it will only be on a temporary basis until 9E can get staffed properly and they will go right back.

 

[mesaba13]

Either way these are only temporary aircraft and this is why we all need to work together on this or else planes will just keep going back and forth.