Words of a Scab.....

[Crzipilot]

I don't care who you are. With any amount of time in aviation, especially at the point of being able to fly larger jet airplanes, you got an idea of what's going on in labor. Especially working in south florida, where I'm sure the goings on of Spirit was fairly well publicized..... Another board posted a link to the guys face book account, and I guess some people couldn't resist sending some notes of "encouragement" to the fine aviator...... His response though is classic scab......On the other board, someone mentioned one of his references might be listed on the Master List.....how fitting.


I am sorry that I crossed the picked line. I was pressured into it by my company. I also did not understand the implications. Right after I came back I called Falcon Air crew scheduling, and told them that I did not want to do this anymore. If there where to be any consequences for the decision not to fly anymore, then so be it.

Furthermore I contacted XXXXXXX, the Spirit Airlines ALPA strike coordinator in Ft. Lauderdale to explain to him that I made a mistake. I do support your cause. I offered him that I would want to walk the picket line in support of the Spirit Air pilots at the airport. He appreciated my offer, but advised me not to go because of possible confrontations.

Again, I am truly sorry for my actions and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

Respectfully,

 

[Ocity]

Does this guy hold an executive BPR position in CLT with USAPA? They have no problems letting scabs run their union.

 

[BE200drvr]

http://spiritairlinesscabs.com/

I am thinking you are the FO. This is only one reason why you never cross the picket line. I could go on and on about this subject, but just don't do it!

I don't care who you are. With any amount of time in aviation, especially at the point of being able to fly larger jet airplanes, you got an idea of what's going on in labor. Especially working in south florida, where I'm sure the goings on of Spirit was fairly well publicized..... Another board posted a link to the guys face book account, and I guess some people couldn't resist sending some notes of "encouragement" to the fine aviator...... His response though is classic scab......On the other board, someone mentioned one of his references might be listed on the Master List.....how fitting.


I am sorry that I crossed the picked line. I was pressured into it by my company. I also did not understand the implications. Right after I came back I called Falcon Air crew scheduling, and told them that I did not want to do this anymore. If there where to be any consequences for the decision not to fly anymore, then so be it.

Furthermore I contacted XXXXXXX, the Spirit Airlines ALPA strike coordinator in Ft. Lauderdale to explain to him that I made a mistake. I do support your cause. I offered him that I would want to walk the picket line in support of the Spirit Air pilots at the airport. He appreciated my offer, but advised me not to go because of possible confrontations.

Again, I am truly sorry for my actions and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

Respectfully,

 

[Crzipilot]

Uhmmm...no I'm not the f/o.....that's a letter from one of them....

 

[Raoul Duke]

were you the captain?

 

[T B O N E]

Thats about the weakest resume I've ever seen!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

He was just participating in the free market.....

 

[CaptSeth]

To get a job at Falcon Air Express, he, like many others, had to pay for their own training. All in all, scabbing is pretty consistent behavior, considering. Type specific PFT....

 

[Skippy]

someone call his references and ask WTF would you be associated with this dude?

 

[Captain Jeff]

carnival was "pay for training" too. It looks like this guy pays a lot to work for a company.

 

[jumppilot]

From what I've gathered, he didn't make it through training at a US regional. Paying for a job is the only way at that point.

 

[sayrejm]

Actually, he did not have to pay for his training at Falcon but I am not defending him. Only correcting a false statement. He did leave out how he failed out of training at Chautauqua. He only got the job at Falcon because the CP is also from the same country I believe. I know, I was in his class. I was going to have to pay for training though (I still can't explain why but I have a good guess) but I got smart and left in the middle of class before I made a huge mistake. Hey, better late than never sometimes.

On another note... GOOD LUCK SPIRIT PILOTS!

 

[Lear70]

NO POSTING OF NAMES, or any DIRECT links, especially those that have anyone's name as part of the link address...

We're leaving the links to the Spirit site up, if you want to go there and get more information, you're welcome to, but please do NOT link it directly here. Thank you for your cooperation. Trying to stay as hands-off as possible during all this, but we have to keep the site clear of anything that could pull it into legal trouble.

Thanks for understanding,

/mod

 

[A-V-8]

So for my own education. If the Falconair pilot refuses to fly can Falcon fire him? If they do will ALPA protect him? I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest I really don't know.

 

[flynryan15]

I got the same response from him when I blasted him!

 

[Lear70]

So for my own education. If the Falconair pilot refuses to fly can Falcon fire him? If they do will ALPA protect him? I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest I really don't know.

Falcon Air isn't unionized. The pilots there are *MOSTLY* former ALPA, Teamsters, etc (highly experienced furloughed or permanently-furloughed (Midwest) pilots from other carriers).

And yes, Florida is an at-will work state; if the Falcon Air pilots refuse to fly, they're risking termination without recourse to grievance. So every Falcon Air pilot who DID refuse to fly those flights deserves our respect and appreciation for risking termination in a TERRIBLE hiring environment to support Spirit pilots.

Those who didn't refuse... well... as a mod, I should just shut up before I say something I shouldn't, even though all of this is my personal opinion and not posting as a mod.

 

[Crzipilot]

Uhmm...no I wasn't the capt. I know the players down in cockroach corner very well, but left that corner of aviation a number of years ago..

 

[Bringupthebird]

So for my own education. If the Falconair pilot refuses to fly can Falcon fire him? If they do will ALPA protect him? I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest I really don't know.

No USAPA will support him. They will help him file a RICO lawsuit against all the other pilots of the world who withheld information about how bad scabbing was and how their conspiracy to withhold information lead directly to his becoming a scab.

Sad, but also funny because it would be so true...

 

[Daytonaflyer]

That FO has obviously refused to fly anymore Spirit flights. That's why Falcon Air isn't taking any more of the Spirit Air trips. Perhaps he's telling the truth and was lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

 

[S5Dispatch]

lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

Lied to by dispatch? What does dispatch have to do with this?

 

[Mike man]

That FO has obviously refused to fly anymore Spirit flights. That's why Falcon Air isn't taking any more of the Spirit Air trips. Perhaps he's telling the truth and was lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

Maybe...but honestly what goes through ones head...all the Spirit airplanes a parked and shut off with no activity around them, and they thought "I guess Spirit thinks we are such a great airline they must want us to fly our super nice half broke down MD-83 today". At some point in that thought process you have to ask yourself what is the deal, why are we doing this flight? They both live in South Florida, it has only been on the news here everyday for the last month, and it most definitely on the news Friday evening and Saturday morning.

Also, why did they stop in NAS to clear US Customs?

How did they get out of the terminal?

Why did they park their cars at a hotel off airport?

They both knew what they were doing and the FO is just trying to seem like he is sorry....I'm sure with all the nice messages on their phones and signs about Spirit striking in both of their neighborhoods greeting them as they drove home from the SCAB flight was a huge wake up call.

 

[BeCareful!]

No USAPA will support him. They will help him file a RICO lawsuit against all the other pilots of the world who withheld information about how bad scabbing was and how their conspiracy to withhold information lead directly to his becoming a scab.
Sad, but also funny because it would be so true...

True, maybe, in your small world.

Here in the real world, USAPA's Strike Committee issued the following: "US Airways Pilots Support Spirit Pilots in Quest for Industry-Standard Contract
On Wednesday, June 9th, a group of US Airways pilots represented USAPA’s support for the Spirit pilots on the picket line in FLL. Spirit pilots have been negotiating in good faith for over four years in an attempt to gain an industry-standard contract. Some Spirit pilots earn up to 40 percent less than airline pilots with similar jobs elsewhere in the industry, a situation that should resonate with all US Airways pilots.
USAPA’s Jumpseat Committee Chairman Ron Hall has been informed by the Spirit Airlines Jumpseat Coordinator that Spirit will remove its pilots from the CASS system at midnight tonight and has already denied them jumpseat access to their own aircraft. US Airways pilots are reminded that our jumpseat policy allows pilots not approved or vetted in CASS to occupy a seat in the cabin, preferably First Class.
We urge all US Airways pilots to support the Spirit pilots as the deadline for the strike looms at midnight tonight, June 11th.





Sorry to let facts get in the way of your stupid rhetoric, there, Bringonthebird, but your accusation of USAPA has no basis in any kind of recognizable reality....much like your stance on just about everything.

 

[Lear70]

If this turns into a USAPA thread, I'm shutting it down.

Go discuss it somewhere else, this is NOT the place or time...

 

[Quiet Flight]

Oh come on Lear!!! It's just so much darn fun though!!!!!

:nuts:

 

[njcapt]

That FO has obviously refused to fly anymore Spirit flights. That's why Falcon Air isn't taking any more of the Spirit Air trips. Perhaps he's telling the truth and was lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

Irrelevant.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[BoeingBaller]

That FO has obviously refused to fly anymore Spirit flights. That's why Falcon Air isn't taking any more of the Spirit Air trips. Perhaps he's telling the truth and was lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

He knew people were taking his picture prior to departure.

 

[Data]

That FO has obviously refused to fly anymore Spirit flights. That's why Falcon Air isn't taking any more of the Spirit Air trips. Perhaps he's telling the truth and was lied to by dispatch. I'm just sayin'...

Why am I not surprised you're taking this angle...

 

[BeCareful!]

If this turns into a USAPA thread, I'm shutting it down.

Go discuss it somewhere else, this is NOT the place or time...

I'd like to not discuss it here either, but it seems no matter where you go on FI.com, there's a west pilot making some false remark about the union or mis-using the word "scab." Perhaps these digressions should be nipped in the bud. Or, I suppose you can just let them spread lies and discontent and require that no one challenges them. That's how several other forums operate.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

If this turns into a USAPA thread, I'm shutting it down.

Go discuss it somewhere else, this is NOT the place or time...

Lear, I totally agree. Please delete the replies that are about USAPA east or west so we can focus on Spirit Pilots' fight for a better contract.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Maybe...but honestly what goes through ones head...all the Spirit airplanes a parked and shut off with no activity around them, and they thought "I guess Spirit thinks we are such a great airline they must want us to fly our super nice half broke down MD-83 today". At some point in that thought process you have to ask yourself what is the deal, why are we doing this flight? They both live in South Florida, it has only been on the news here everyday for the last month, and it most definitely on the news Friday evening and Saturday morning.

Also, why did they stop in NAS to clear US Customs?

How did they get out of the terminal?

Why did they park their cars at a hotel off airport?

They both knew what they were doing and the FO is just trying to seem like he is sorry....I'm sure with all the nice messages on their phones and signs about Spirit striking in both of their neighborhoods greeting them as they drove home from the SCAB flight was a huge wake up call.

I'm certain the captain knew it was a scab flight, he hasn't even bothered to refute his listing on the scab list. I'll bet that the FO's Falcon Air, ex-Midwest brethren will find out the truth about his story and then we'll know the facts.