JetBlue & American

[8vATE]

JetBlue pilots are hopping mad. The ones without our heads in the sand, that is. What can we do? Tell the PVC we really, really don't like it, and watch them ignore our emails (just like with the FSM). Then send our info to ALPA...

Yea... that FSM revision is a giant step backward.....

How?

 

[B6Busdriver]

Yea... that FSM revision is a giant step backward.....

How?

Let me guess...top 100...top 200? The FSM is a POS. I guess when you finally get an e-mail saying we've been bought out and your job is gone you'll finally get it.

 

[Sailpilot]

That doesn't mean that the scope issue shouldn't be tightened up.

Tightened UP!?...

Wouldn't that mean we actually have ANYTHING at all in place for scope? We have nothing. You have no say.

"Tightened Up"... Wow, what a J-O

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That doesn't mean that the scope issue shouldn't be tightened up.

amazing.....

I would think that something would have to be around the scope issue in order for it to be tightened up....

 

[WateryGrave]

Let me guess...top 100...top 200? The FSM is a POS. I guess when you finally get an e-mail saying we've been bought out and your job is gone you'll finally get it.

It must suck to come to work and be so angry all the time. What in particular about the FSM don't you like, or do you just hate it all because you like to complain? As a bottom 500 guy there is some good and some not so good, but overall I'd say it's a decent document that fills in a lot of the gaps in our current FSM.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Interline agreements are nothing new. Neither are code shares. B6 will have more to come, as will AA. It's the nature of the beast. As for doom and gloom predictions of buyouts.....it's anyone's guess. Personally I think DCA is a good thing for B6. And before some of you go off the handle....I voted for JBPA, and I believe a CBA is what is best for all. I will vote for the next union drive as well. We definitely need scope (to say the least) at B6. But honestly, I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over this AA deal. I expect more to come with other airlines. Welcome to the airline business! NWA and Continental code shared for years. Yet, DAL bought NWA. Anything can happen. Interline agreements and code shares are par for the course in the airline business.

You can speculate all you want on who buys whom, but no one will ever know until a deal is signed. The sky is not falling. Educating your fellow pilots is the way to go. I've seen too many pro-union guys calling anti-unuion guys idiots. It's embarrassing, pathetic, and unprofessional. This is not what a union is about, and it only pushes others away. Show them the benefits of having a union. Don't chastise them because they disagree, or are uneducated on the subject. You will only contribute to dividing the pilot group. The goal is solidarity. Nobody wants to be bullied into doing anything. Educate with respect. Not everyone will agree with you. Guess what......that's okay. 50% plus 1 is the goal. In the end, we all want the same thing.....an enjoyable and secure career with adequate pay and benefits.

 

[Dan Roman]

I can't believe both the JetBlue and American pilots aren't hopping mad about this. No way I would be "sounds like a good deal to me" with seeing another airlines pilots fly MY customers around.

But what do I know. I'm "just a Southwest pilot."

Gup

Sounds like the Canada SWA code share may not happen due to WestJet finding a better deal? What's the status of the Mexico code share?
Just curious.

 

[Dan Roman]

Now they are talking about merging ff programs and not ruling out jb joining one world

Jeez, you better hope not. My guess is you guys would all go below all the TWA guys. You may get fences to keep flying but your seniority would be stuck for about 20 years.

 

[Blue Dude]

Jeez, you better hope not. My guess is you guys would all go below all the TWA guys. You may get fences to keep flying but your seniority would be stuck for about 20 years.

Shhh, this is a secret... Unless JetBlue grows, everyone's seniority will be stuck for about 20 years anyway. Too many senior people in their 30's and 40's. We could get fenced, stapled, spindled, folded, mangled and mutilated, but it won't actually change the current situation, which is completely dependent on fleet growth.

 

[BeachBummer]

Wait a minute... You mean to say that seniority will not improve without more airplanes? I should have gone to... oh never mind

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Actually the JB would hit a home run considering the last two mergers. They would probably get relative seniority amongst active pilots(furloughees won't count) starting at the 737 level. Once the massive retirements start at AA in 3-4 years they are wb capts within the decade. Home run for JB pilots, and another kick in the nuts for the furloughed AA pilots.

Jeez, you better hope not. My guess is you guys would all go below all the TWA guys. You may get fences to keep flying but your seniority would be stuck for about 20 years.

 

[Beantown]

Interline agreements are nothing new. Neither are code shares. B6 will have more to come, as will AA. It's the nature of the beast. As for doom and gloom predictions of buyouts.....it's anyone's guess. Personally I think DCA is a good thing for B6. And before some of you go off the handle....I voted for JBPA, and I believe a CBA is what is best for all. I will vote for the next union drive as well. We definitely need scope (to say the least) at B6. But honestly, I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over this AA deal. I expect more to come with other airlines. Welcome to the airline business! NWA and Continental code shared for years. Yet, DAL bought NWA. Anything can happen. Interline agreements and code shares are par for the course in the airline business.

You can speculate all you want on who buys whom, but no one will ever know until a deal is signed. The sky is not falling. Educating your fellow pilots is the way to go. I've seen too many pro-union guys calling anti-unuion guys idiots. It's embarrassing, pathetic, and unprofessional. This is not what a union is about, and it only pushes others away. Show them the benefits of having a union. Don't chastise them because they disagree, or are uneducated on the subject. You will only contribute to dividing the pilot group. The goal is solidarity. Nobody wants to be bullied into doing anything. Educate with respect. Not everyone will agree with you. Guess what......that's okay. 50% plus 1 is the goal. In the end, we all want the same thing.....an enjoyable and secure career with adequate pay and benefits.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner on all accounts. Great post!

 

[B6Busdriver]

It must suck to come to work and be so angry all the time. What in particular about the FSM don't you like, or do you just hate it all because you like to complain? As a bottom 500 guy there is some good and some not so good, but overall I'd say it's a decent document that fills in a lot of the gaps in our current FSM.

Yeah I know, we're better than Mesa. There are great FSM discussions on other message boards. Thanks for sizing me up without meeting me. I'm sure you're a peach.

 

[Headfake14]

...well, talk about a divert...this WAS a thread about B6 and AA.

How'd we get here....???

 

[Splert]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner on all accounts. Great post!

Does AA.com sell tickets for DAL or do they just agree to transfer bags between each airline?

With this 'interline agreement' AA.com will sell B6 tickets to AA passengers.

 

[aewanabe]

Does AA.com sell tickets for DAL or do they just agree to transfer bags between each airline?

With this 'interline agreement' AA.com will sell B6 tickets to AA passengers.

Bingo. As to the FSM, we got some improvements. I see the move-up and hybrid lines as major losses for both Reserves and junior Lineholders. Also not a fan of co-terminals. Doesn't mean I'm pissed all the time, just calling it like I see it.

 

[Floatplane]

I hope American passengers enjoy taking the AirTrain from T5 over to American and going back through security to continue on to Europe! Sounds kind of crazy to me, but what the hell do I know. There is something more to this that has not been announced yet, you can be sure of that.

 

[mddg3581]

FSM is ok, some good some bad. I'm low rsv in JFK so I felt like some of the rules are like a dog chasing its own tail. Some of the things that seem positive are cancelled out by another rule that inhibits the positive. For example, the rsv move up line stuff will perhaps take away the open time pot making the ability to do aggressive pickups much more scarce. Along with that, it leaves much less open time for the line holders to get also....well see what it looks like when it is implemented.

 

[Sailpilot]

I hope American passengers enjoy taking the AirTrain from T5 over to American and going back through security to continue on to Europe! Sounds kind of crazy to me, but what the hell do I know. There is something more to this that has not been announced yet, you can be sure of that.

They are in talks with the port authority to "co-locate" in JFK. This is information available from AA's Q&A sent to their employees.

Psst. Notice T6 is still sitting vacant...

 

[Headfake14]

T6 is vacant...and we still have rights to it...so noone else is going in there. I can't see anyone using it now anyhow...it's super nasty. I look fwd to when we have it demolished...and rebuilt.