CAL Management Proposal, Delta's Contract

[BID]

Today, our management offered Delta's contract. If it ever came down to a vote, which I highly doubt it will I would vote NO in a second. Scope relief no thanks.

Oh yeah it is Delta's contract plus a dollar and there wold be no ALPA board member.

 

[cybourg10]

Wow I didn't see that coming.

IF this is true I bet it passes (unfortunately). Expect to see plenty of 76 seat mainline jets flown by regionals soon in CAL colors.

 

[BID]

I hope we never get the opportunity to vote on this. 76 seat jets is way too big for regional flying.

If Delta's contract is so great, then why is it that I do not want it?

This is going to be a great test for our pilot group and our union reps. We shall see!

FUPM!

 

[cybourg10]

I hope we never get the opportunity to vote on this. 76 seat jets is way too big for regional flying.

If Delta's contract is so great, then why is it that I do not want it?

This is going to be a great test for our pilot group and our union reps. We shall see!

FUPM!

Agreed. Stand strong.

 

[BID]

thanks!

I have not been at CAL long, but my ears are always open. What I hear is a feed up pilot group. I don't think this will make it to a vote. (boy I hope not!)

 

[cybourg10]

Counter proposal idea:

Delta + $5 - scope relief.

 

[HHH]

Counter proposal idea:

Delta + $5 - scope relief.

I'm glad we don't have 4 year Xjet FO's on our MEC!

Not a penny less than our proposal in December. I'm ready to walk away from Jeff's lottery ticket forever.

 

[cybourg10]

I'm glad we don't have 4 year Xjet FO's on our MEC!

Not a penny less than our proposal in December. I'm ready to walk away from Jeff's lottery ticket forever.

I didn't know D+5 was less than the original offer. I'm glad I'm not on your MEC either. Good luck guys.

 

[BigMotorToter]

The Delta pilots on the property in the early 90's have done more damage to the pilot profession than any scabs that crossed any picket line.

They single handedly allowed the RJ disease to infect the piloting career for ALL of us.

Unfortunatly I think it's too late and this career is terminal for most of us.

I hope you guys don't get "hypmotized" by the pay and think long term in regards to scope.

Just remember, the pay is only good if your on the property to receive it.

 

[Superpilot92]

The DAL contract, while a little better post merger, is still a bankruptcy contract thats been modified. Dont fall for their games! Our contract + 1 isnt even close to what ya'lls initial proposal was. Fight strong and do not except a modified post bankruptcy contract.

NEVER SELL SCOPE! WITHOUT IT THE REST OF YOUR CONTRACT IS WORTHLESS!

 

[mishap]

I hope you guys don't get "hypmotized" by the pay and think long term in regards to scope.

The pay is a pay cut for some, and a small pay raise for others, I don't think there is any danger of us being "hypnotized" by a pay cut.

Scope is a non starter, I will not vote yes on a contract that gives up jets bigger than the 50 seaters.

I don't know enough about the rest of the contract to comment on, I am sure the work rules kick our current CBA's ass, but as you said, without scope, there be no jobs.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

If you guys take the DAL contract, just go ahead and lop off the bottom 1,000 guys off your list.

At a minimum.

Nu

 

[Crucianpilot]

Counter offer :

Southwest's Contract + 10% and no scope relief. We can play that game too.:angryfire

 

[Muskycat]

Today, our management offered Delta's contract. If it ever came down to a vote, which I highly doubt it will I would vote NO in a second. Scope relief no thanks.

Oh yeah it is Delta's contract plus a dollar and there wold be no ALPA board member.

You do want the Delta contract, but the one we had in 2001. And then fix the scope issues.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Once again as a regional guy who wants to work for Continental someday...

CAL pilots, PLEASE vote no on this offer. Any relaxation of your scope renders the rest of the contract worthless. They'll gladly throw you a (small) bone, hoping that you'll take your eye off the ball and give in on the best thing you've got going for you. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but a pre 9/11 type contract doesn't do you any good if they're just going to farm out the flying to every regional begging for any job they can get.

 

[General Lee]

I hope we never get the opportunity to vote on this. 76 seat jets is way too big for regional flying.

If Delta's contract is so great, then why is it that I do not want it?

This is going to be a great test for our pilot group and our union reps. We shall see!

FUPM!

Don't give away scope. Get the pay raises, but stand strong on scope. Also, scope means RJs and other things, like INTL scope too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SuperFLUF]

Hell NO to scope relief.

It also "included" no retro. Effective date 1/1/2010. This is just a slick attempt at a counter proposal. What else would we expect from a lawyer CEO who uses twisted language to pretend he's taking a pay cut?

Even though the reps have said there will be no budging on scope or retro, write them anyways. The terrified, panty-waist class of '83 will be screaming for the MEC to accept this counter so don't let the vocal minority be the only ones heard.


Oh, wait. No need to worry about retro. Cuz with this awesome Delta + $1 proposal I would be making $600 less per month. Sweeeeeet.

 

[mynameisjim]

Check out your new 'RJ' with that contract:

Biggest RJ
Accommodation: 76 passengers
Cruising Speed: 529 mph
Range: 2,416 miles
Wing Span: 85 ft 4 in
Length: 103 ft 11 in
Tail Height: 32 ft 3 in

Smallest Mainline
Accommodation: 124 passengers
Crusing Speed: 491 mph
Range: 2,270 miles
Wing Span: 94 ft 9 in
Length: 109 ft 7 in
Tail Height: 36 ft 6 in

 

[Homer Jay]

This is a DEFINITE NO VOTE!!!

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Please vote yes !!!!! I have always wanted to fly a big rj and be based out of ewr !!!!!! Please give me my worst nightmare..