UA "national seniority list"

[Yuppyguppy]

Just get it over with already!

 

[Dizel8]

Just a quick read, but it looks like ALPA doesn't want any new airlines to join. If DOH becomes the guiding principle, then the pilots of a newish airline, say Jetblue or VA, would be foolish to join.

It would be like being an AWA pilot had the AAA side won, most AWA pilots would have been furloughed, the rest essentially stapled.

Shame, I was hoping Jetblue would go ALPA!

 

[FDJ2]

Just a quick read, but it looks like ALPA doesn't want any new airlines to join. If DOH becomes the guiding principle, then the pilots of a newish airline, say Jetblue or VA, would be foolish to join.

It would be like being an AWA pilot had the AAA side won, most AWA pilots would have been furloughed, the rest essentially stapled.

Shame, I was hoping Jetblue would go ALPA!

This wont have much traction.

 

[waveflyer]

Think about the options a national list would give- a national list would be the only way DOH actually works. Most of us don't care who we fly for, honestly- we care if we can live in our domicile and we care about job security- all of which vastly increase with a NSL - think about it- if you live in Los Angeles- do you really care if fly a plane for united delta or Fedex? The nsl that I would propose would allow constant flow between companies as needs ebb and flow- then furloughs would happen only if demand fell nationwide- under our current system - pilotsare furloughed and then you have to scrap and interview just to get on crippling 1st year pay- no other profession has this type of leverage used against them

 

[8v8ter]

Think about the options a national list would give- a national list would be the only way DOH actually works. Most of us don't care who we fly for, honestly- we care if we can live in our domicile and we care about job security- all of which vastly increase with a NSL - think about it- if you live in Los Angeles- do you really care if fly a plane for united delta or Fedex? The nsl that I would propose would allow constant flow between companies as needs ebb and flow- then furloughs would happen only if demand fell nationwide- under our current system - pilotsare furloughed and then you have to scrap and interview just to get on crippling 1st year pay- no other profession has this type of leverage used against them

EXACTLY!! You could bid for different airlines or regions like you bid for bases or equipment now, no movement unless there is a vacancy. Now might be a good time to try this as most of the contracts have become pretty close pay wise. Not as many large discrepencies between the highest and lowest paid contracts.

 

[Splert]

Think about the options a national list would give- a national list would be the only way DOH actually works. Most of us don't care who we fly for, honestly- we care if we can live in our domicile and we care about job security- all of which vastly increase with a NSL - think about it- if you live in Los Angeles- do you really care if fly a plane for united delta or Fedex? The nsl that I would propose would allow constant flow between companies as needs ebb and flow- then furloughs would happen only if demand fell nationwide- under our current system - pilotsare furloughed and then you have to scrap and interview just to get on crippling 1st year pay- no other profession has this type of leverage used against them

You still haven't answered the simple question.

Why would FedEx management agree to this during negotiations? - this would be a non-starter.

Seniority Rights are not imposed, dictated, or unalienable - they are negotiated between parties and from these negotiations seniority may or may not be created as a right.

Unless of course, Congress writes a new law.

The idea you purpose is unworkable simply because the other side on the table - airline management across the board - would NEVER agree to it.

Unless of course, Congress writes a new law.

It is okay to dream big but the venue for a NSL to become reality is CONGRESS.

 

[waveflyer]

yeah- but then again-- you just said the idea that i 'purpose' ... so what do you know?

I'm at swapa-- the nsl would have to be up and running and be working fantastic for all involved in order for southwest pilots to want any part of it-- but if alpa ever did want UPS, SWA, APA and USAPA in the fold--- a NSL- IMHO -- is about the only way it would happen. They ought to be studying it hard core at least. BC as it stands now- there's not a great reason not to be part of an independent union.

Even as a SWA pilot- i look at the possibilities a NSL could provide the pilot career and get excited by it. God forbid we stop being our own worst enemies and unify on a no brainer. The airlines are all about consolidating resources and code sharing-- this would be our version of the same thing. 1st year pay was never meant to be experienced more than once. I stand by my words- an NSL could happen with the right leadership. And done right, it would be a very good thing for all involved.

 

[Splert]

yeah- but then again-- you just said the idea that i 'purpose' ... so what do you know?

I'm at swapa-- the nsl would have to be up and running and be working fantastic for all involved in order for southwest pilots to want any part of it-- but if alpa ever did want UPS, SWA, APA and USAPA in the fold--- a NSL- IMHO -- is about the only way it would happen. They ought to be studying it hard core at least. BC as it stands now- there's not a great reason not to be part of an independent union.

Even as a SWA pilot- i look at the possibilities a NSL could provide the pilot career and get excited by it. God forbid we stop being our own worst enemies and unify on a no brainer. The airlines are all about consolidating resources and code sharing-- this would be our version of the same thing. 1st year pay was never meant to be experienced more than once. I stand by my words- an NSL could happen with the right leadership. And done right, it would be a very good thing for all involved.

NSL is good idea.

But you are running in the wrong direction. Congress is the only body that has to power to create seniority without having to bargain for it with X number of different pilot groups with X number of 10 different airlines who by the way have zero interest in a NSL (plus new entrant carriers).

I wish we had a NSL. I do...but our energy has to be focused and directed in the right direction. NSL is a waste of time and resources unless Congress acts first.

Research the many cases regarding seniority and how it is and is not created.

 

[waveflyer]

Not my battle being at SWA- i think this has to originate from ALPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This wont have much traction.

...says the Delta pilot. I bet more than half of the members of ALPA support it. Within ALPA, probably only the Delta and FedEx pilots would oppose it...maybe CAL pilots too..The rest will most likely support it.