XJT opening ORD base in May.

[dnkt]

.......

 

[Metro752]

Surprise surprise

 

[densoo]

Also, CLE goes up by 45 crews, 112 furloughs back in spring, the rest in summer.

 

[Metro752]

Good news.

 

[rumorhasit]

Who is the lucky company colors? United? Whoever it is they will get a great operation and good people, good news for a company on the ropes for sometime....

 

[i fly boxes]

its nice to see a company that treats their employees good have something good happen to them. The rest of the slave drivers should take note.

 

[hou757]

Also, CLE goes up by 45 crews, 112 furloughs back in spring, the rest in summer.

Where did you see the summer part about recalls?

 

[nerjdriver]

Where did you see the summer part about recalls?

Peter Sailor wispered it in his ear last night when they were all finished up!

 

[WayBack]

ALPA pilots putting other ALPA pilots out of a job.
Who are they covering the flying for?

 

[hou757]

Peter Sailor wispered it in his ear last night when they were all finished up!

I know you are joking but this guy is posting things that were not stated. Don't give false hope to those on furlough..

 

[superrav]

ALPA pilots putting other ALPA pilots out of a job.
Who are they covering the flying for?

I'd say maybe those ALPA groups should fight for a stronger contract.... and get on the same playing field.

Mesa had some planes removed from there contract.

OH and if MESA goes under.. I'll probably go drink a beer and celebrate...

 

[WayBack]

I'd say maybe those ALPA groups should fight for a stronger contract.... and get on the same playing field.

Mesa had some planes removed from there contract.

OH and if MESA goes under.. I'll probably go drink a beer and celebrate...

You'll have plenty of time to drink that beer. When Mesa's MEC goes ta-ta's up and gives up everything in their contract and pay, they will be the fastest growing regional again......putting you out of a job. Every airline in BK, their pilot group surrenders everything to do what it takes to survive.

Same playing field? When you replace another carriers flying, why is it not considered "SCAB work"? Essentially, you have put guys on the street because you do the job for cheaper or what ever reason.

 

[CX880]

ALPA pilots putting other ALPA pilots out of a job.
Who are they covering the flying for?

Mesa.

 

[lowlycfi]

Mesa.

I was actually thinking United.

 

[WayBack]

Mesa.

I thought XJT was doing a bunch of TSA's flying when they were furloughing guys.

 

[lookin4better]

It doesnt matter where the "new" jobs are coming from..... c'mon Wayback.... you have to know this by now.

The point about Mesa coming out of BK being the cheapest to use as feed is a great point...... then they can "steal" the flying from XJT..... mark my words, the XJT kids will be crying bloody murder in a few years if this UA flying goes away..... because it was "their" flying and its being "stolen"!!

 

[WayBack]

It doesnt matter where the "new" jobs are coming from..... c'mon Wayback.... you have to know this by now.

The point about Mesa coming out of BK being the cheapest to use as feed is a great point...... then they can "steal" the flying from XJT..... mark my words, the XJT kids will be crying bloody murder in a few years if this UA flying goes away..... because it was "their" flying and its being "stolen"!!

Completely agree. But wouldn't it be nice if there was one level of pay to keep all these whipsaws from happening.

 

[lookin4better]

Absolutely.

Will it happen, probably not..... never know though.

 

[dnkt]

good luck.

 

[Whydoitry]

Ah, we're all about competition right? We can be in the same union and still compete. XJT is able to win a contract with UAL while maintaining an industry leading pilot contract. What's the problem? There is no scabbing here because Mesa is not on strike. They lost the contract because it was up and UAL had had enough of them.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

As Whydoitry says, my understanding is XJT got this UAL flying because UAL dumped Mesa. Why did they dump Mesa? Basically because Mesa PAID THEIR PILOTS TOO LITTLE MONEY (It is actually a symptom of the problem at Mesa, that caused them to lose the UAL contract.).

cliff
NBO

 

[on autopilot]

Actually When I was in IAH not too long ago, they told us ALL pilots f/a's to be back by trhe end of summer with NEW HIRING for pilots later in the year.

 

[cybourg10]

Actually When I was in IAH not too long ago, they told us ALL pilots f/a's to be back by trhe end of summer with NEW HIRING for pilots later in the year.

Very likely to happen with the current staffing situation. We literally have no reserves. Literally.

 

[007]

keep all these whipsaws from happening.

Last time I looked I did not take a paycut to get this contract.

 

[WayBack]

Last time I looked I did not take a paycut to get this contract.

I was under the impression ExpressJet was in there replacing TSA's flying...who has furloughed hundreds of pilots. Forgive me.

As far as your paycheck. Give it time, you'll take one soon enough and that "Industry Leading" contract will be just like all the other Industry Leading contracts out there. Ask those Comair guys how they're doing.

 

[superrav]

I was under the impression ExpressJet was in there replacing TSA's flying...who has furloughed hundreds of pilots. Forgive me.

As far as your paycheck. Give it time, you'll take one soon enough and that "Industry Leading" contract will be just like all the other Industry Leading contracts out there. Ask those Comair guys how they're doing.

Do you work for MESA? you sound like you do.

 

[WayBack]

Do you work for MESA? you sound like you do.

In fact I do. No wait, I'm Johnny O.

If I did, I wouldn't have been mistaken in my accusations. Grab your shine box and go polish my BMW, Junior!

 

[planejockey]

In fact I do. No wait, I'm Johnny O.

If I did, I wouldn't have been mistaken in my accusations. Grab your shine box and go polish my BMW, Junior!

No flame intended here but why would you want a regional that pays a little better to fold? It seems to me you rather see Mesa and Colgan succeed. I am just curious since I assumed your were a Mainline guy from your profile. If you do fly for one of the majors, you should encourage your MEC or whoever to start lobbying for a paycheck for your future F/Os. Just my .2 cents and like I said no flame intended.

 

[WayBack]

No flame intended here but why would you want a regional that pays a little better to fold? It seems to me you rather see Mesa and Colgan succeed. I am just curious since I assumed your were a Mainline guy from your profile. If you do fly for one of the majors, you should encourage your MEC or whoever to start lobbying for a paycheck for your future F/Os. Just my .2 cents and like I said no flame intended.

I never said I wanted to see them fold, it's just how it happens. Look at all the other regionals who had Industry Leading contracts, and were paid the best. Take Comair for instance. They had the best RJ pay ever and their High Life has come crumbling down over the last year or two.
It's the cycle of aviation. Sad thing is, one day Regionals will be the new Majors...but the pay will never reach near the major levels.
I don't fly 121 anymore, I moved on on to greener pastures.
You have guys who complain all day and talk about how they're leaving...and then you have the guys who actually do it. I got tired of listening to all those other guys.

 

[badog]

the only loser in this game will be the mesa sux pilot group who voted for the sub standard pay and work rules. I say good riddance and have fun in the cheese line a$$hole. I make more $ than you flying a 50 seater than you flying a 70 seater. Who's the loser here? yes, comair is on the ropes because of trash like you! It's taking companies like us to reverse all this bottom feeding. Yeah ********************ty kitty makes less than us! Maybe only $1 per hour but it's still less! Get it????