Just in time for the holidays, no more 1,2,3, happy Thanksgiving...

[scoreboardII]

Just announced by SWA hotel committee, SWA will no longer seek any form of reduced rate beverage deals like the 1, 2, 3. Seems we can thank the latest 2 or 3 fools who "pooped their pants", spoiling it for the other 20,000 folks who now have to wear diapers.

Thanks ABQ guy...

Discuss:

 

[QCappy]

I think you can afford "market based" prices like the rest of us.:beer:

Man, that Southwest place is going downhill fast.

 

[aircowboy]

Its all over. Get out while you still can......our last hope......gone

 

[ACL65PILOT]

From a corporate standpoint it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Just think what would happen if you had a pilot get caught going through security after a night of 1...2...3's!

Makes a lot of sense to me. That is why most airlines do not negotiate discounts on beverages of any kind.

 

[GuppyWN]

Man, that Southwest place is going downhill fast.

You're trying to be cute but there is more truth than you know in your words. :crying:

Gup

 

[FlyAuburn]

From a corporate standpoint it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Just think what would happen if you had a pilot get caught going through security after a night of 1...2...3's!

Makes a lot of sense to me. That is why most airlines do not negotiate discounts on beverages of any kind.

Relax man, don't be so uptight. Corporate standpoint from who? the hotel? So, do you think they should take the 25% off beverages because of the liability to the hotel? Or if you are worried about the airline, maybe they should not let us stay at Embassy Suites since there is free happy hour every night. Or overnights in New Orleans? BTW, I know where you guys stay in MSY, do you think that's too close to Bourbon Street? Just kidding on that one. Fools will be fools no matter what the price is. At JB, we still have this deal in several places and it is (as far as I know) an "unofficial advantage" when selecting hotels. Unfortunately, this decision at SW (if true) will affect us too down the road.

 

[Hypoxik]

Well, that's a shame. Our hotel committee has been able to at least get us a 2,3,4 rule. This was obviously based on your rule, and a lot of common hotels extended this to all air crews. Our rule is something that just started in 09.

 

[Mach 80]

From a corporate standpoint..very understandable.

 

[StopNTSing]

From a corporate standpoint..very understandable.

Did the UAL pilot that just got busted in London have 1-2-3? How about the Cactus pilots?

This may seem like a trivial issue to some, but to me it is the perfect metaphor for how we are slowly turning into....well...Delta. What's next, pilots & FAs at different hotels?

 

[Deli Guy]

Did they actually poop their pants?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Relax man, don't be so uptight. Corporate standpoint from who? the hotel? So, do you think they should take the 25% off beverages because of the liability to the hotel? Or if you are worried about the airline, maybe they should not let us stay at Embassy Suites since there is free happy hour every night. Or overnights in New Orleans? BTW, I know where you guys stay in MSY, do you think that's too close to Bourbon Street? Just kidding on that one. Fools will be fools no matter what the price is. At JB, we still have this deal in several places and it is (as far as I know) an "unofficial advantage" when selecting hotels. Unfortunately, this decision at SW (if true) will affect us too down the road.

It is not being uptight. Think of our press of today. See a SWA crew getting nailed at the TSA checkpoint. Move beyond it. One of the 24 hr new corporations gets a "tip" on where he stayed last night, they get the bar tab, video or whatever else they can get their hands on, it shows a 1,2,3 and then it is "discovered" that SWA the airline negotiates that deal for its crews. I see a major PR issues for the company.

We at DAL do not do that type of deal for that very reason. It is not being uptight. It this day of lawyers, 24 hr news, and lawsuits, it makes sense for the company to protect itself that way.

Just sayin........

 

[Quimby]

I think the Cactus guys in MIA had 11, 12, 13........check please!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Did the UAL pilot that just got busted in London have 1-2-3? How about the Cactus pilots?

This may seem like a trivial issue to some, but to me it is the perfect metaphor for how we are slowly turning into....well...Delta. What's next, pilots & FAs at different hotels?

Most of that is due to the fact that they are always in the short layo hotel and not on the same trip as us. If they have a long layo they are with us, but normally leave before we do.

 

[EMBpilot]

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Man, that Southwest place is going downhill fast.

SWA grew 70% since 9/11. Because of the growth everybody was moving fast and they could keep the costs low.

It was great and every pilot told kids that they should become pilots and fly only at Southwest.

Now that the party is over the costs are climbing and a very natural thing takes place - a LCC becoming not that much of LCC any more, especially considering running out hedges.
I know one thing - it would really be frustrating to be junior for years with those young Captains not going anywhere..

Besides, with new leadership how long until the old 300's are replaced with brand new stretched RJ's flown for $20/hour Instructordudes at desperate regionals?

Good luck Southwest, we all have hard times, welcome to reality.

 

[Noserider76]

This may seem like a trivial issue to some, but to me it is the perfect metaphor for how we are slowly turning into....well...Delta. What's next, pilots & FAs at different hotels?

Except without the big airplanes and cool layovers. Oh man, you are really screwed. And I am too because I always tell everyone I work for SWA no matter which bar I'm drinking in.

 

[RDG]

From a corporate standpoint it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Just think what would happen if you had a pilot get caught going through security after a night of 1...2...3's!

Makes a lot of sense to me. That is why most airlines do not negotiate discounts on beverages of any kind.

A lawsuit waiting to happen for 35 years? Spare me...

 

[Quimby]

Except without the big airplanes and cool layovers. Oh man, you are really screwed. And I am too because I always tell everyone I work for SWA no matter which bar I'm drinking in.

Big airplanes & cool layovers....isn't that what's it's really all about?
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your an idiot...get this crap off a site that has nothoing to do with SWA you want more attention.....your a moron.

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[Noserider76]

Big airplanes & cool layovers....isn't that what's it's really all about?
uke:

Yes, and a bigger wallet if I can get that too......and hot FAs......although I think I was hired 20 years too late for those last two.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

A product of of three things

Lack of personal responsibility (The booze was cheaper than the bottled water in the room)
Lawsuits gone wild
24 hour cable news with time to fill

Bash the management if you want. I think that if any of us were in the same shoes, you would make the same call.

If you think that this place is going downhill, put it in this perspective: If SWA had any other airlines' management in place, how many pilots would be on the street today?

 

[snow-back]

So what happened in ABQ?

Just announced by SWA hotel committee, SWA will no longer seek any form of reduced rate beverage deals like the 1, 2, 3. Seems we can thank the latest 2 or 3 fools who "pooped their pants", spoiling it for the other 20,000 folks who now have to wear diapers.

Thanks ABQ guy...

Discuss:

 

[N1atEcon]

especially considering running out hedges

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Here we go again! Another pilot thats has no clue about what he speaks of.

What ever happened to one being responsible for their actions.
Oh boy, I just ran over a kid on the way to work. It wasn't my fault, so I am going to sue the school district for having school start the same time as my job.

 

[Dan Roman]

I can't believe no one said it yet........SWA's beer hedges have run out, they have to be in trouble!!

To be honest, given the current climate in the media, I can see managements concern if someone in the press decides to run with the fact that SWA negotiates cheap alcohol for it's crews on layovers. Combine that with the fact that one of SWA's strengths is productivity and they don't exactly have long layovers in the cities they stay in and you've a big story on a slow night of news.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

The fact that this nice benefit has been bragged about on a public forum (such as this) has not helped either.

 

[Dan Roman]

The fact that this nice benefit has been bragged about on a public forum (such as this) has not helped either.

True statement.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

So what happened in ABQ?

This whole losing control of your bowels story. Was it an alcohol thing, or more of an over age 60 thing?

 

[StopNTSing]

I can't believe no one said it yet........SWA's beer hedges have run out, they have to be in trouble!!

To be honest, given the current climate in the media, I can see managements concern if someone in the press decides to run with the fact that SWA negotiates cheap alcohol for it's crews on layovers. Combine that with the fact that one of SWA's strengths is productivity and they don't exactly have long layovers in the cities they stay in and you've a big story on a slow night of news.

Actually, our productivity translates into more time on the layovers and less time appreciating the airport on a hub turn. An eight- to ten-hour duty day with 14-16 hrs at the hotel is the norm.

I hear what you guys are saying regarding the PR issue....it's just sad to see another cave-in to the CYA mentality that is ruining this country.

 

[Whataburger]

Most gas stations have cheap beer. Grab the crewmembers you like, and go find a patio.

 

[chqflyer]

OK. We're all dying to known about ABQ guy!

 

[bravodude]

SWA grew 70% since 9/11. Because of the growth everybody was moving fast and they could keep the costs low.

It was great and every pilot told kids that they should become pilots and fly only at Southwest.

Now that the party is over the costs are climbing and a very natural thing takes place - a LCC becoming not that much of LCC any more, especially considering running out hedges.
I know one thing - it would really be frustrating to be junior for years with those young Captains not going anywhere..

Besides, with new leadership how long until the old 300's are replaced with brand new stretched RJ's flown for $20/hour Instructordudes at desperate regionals?

Good luck Southwest, we all have hard times, welcome to reality.

the reality is we have scope protection that does not allow any RJ flying by anyone other then a pilot on the SWA seniority list. The reality is we just recieved a pay raise plus retro. The reality is SWA is doing everything possible to keep people on the property including beeing over staffed by more then 250 pilots.
The reality is things are still really good here, actually they are great here.