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[FUZZO]

Rumours during training:

1. Look for the company to approach union to allow a bid to encompass up to two years, ie.. award during advance entitlement will be good for up to two years possibly longer, but plan is to move all the pieces continously over the next five years, so it will be awhile before we see the final results.

2. Dependant on the above, could see up to 1200 positions up for bid right after SOC. followed by another large bid during the summer

3. 15 DC9s coming into Atlanta--this one might not happen

4. A group is in negotiations/familiarizations with a 100seat supplier

5. up to 15 777s to be delivered in next 2 years

6. A fleet of up to 60 MD90s

7. New basing methods(virtual) are being looked at (cost/benefit analysis)

8. New base will be opened

This is all second hand, dont' know how legit it really is.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Rumours during training:

1. Look for the company to approach union to allow a bid to encompass up to two years, ie.. award during advance entitlement will be good for up to two years possibly longer, but plan is to move all the pieces continuously over the next five years, so it will be awhile before we see the final results

yep.

2. Dependent on the above, could see up to 1200 positions up for bid right after SOC. followed by another large bid during the summer

Oh boy

3. 15 DC9s coming into Atlanta--this one might not happen

oh neat

4. A group is in negotiations/familiarizations with a 100seat supplier

yep

5. up to 15 777s to be delivered in next 2 years

nice, some 300's too.....

6. A fleet of up to 60 MD90s

max of 65 for now

7. New basing methods(virtual) are being looked at (cost/benefit analysis)

8. New base will be opened

DFW!

This is all second hand, dont' know how legit it really is.[/QUOTE]

Lots in the works

 

[Aubie747]

DFW yeah right

 

[lookin4better]

If half of that stuff happens it sounds like good news, all I can say is I HOPE those 100 seaters will NOT have "Connection" painted anywhere on them!

 

[Superpilot92]

(borat voice) i like!!!

 

[JohnDoe]

4. A group is in negotiations/familiarizations with a 100seat supplier

And they will be given away in exchange for a greater number of choices in crew meals on international flights.

After all, everybody has been saying that the next time LM gives away scope, they will then do something about him.

Why be proactive after all.......apparently enough damage hasn't been done.

 

[RedRum]

I agree with almost everything you said.

The company has been "looking at" the 100-seat option for over 4 years now. In the base notes from a couple weeks ago, RA is not happy with the progress being made on the new Honeywell geared-turbofan technology. (Bombardier C-Series)

Either way, when a decision is made, it is going to be until at least 2013 or so before you would see anything on the property. In the meantime, things are going to be getting pretty interesting after SOC. The company will be looking for any excuse to outsource all of our jobs.

I know it has been said before, but I think that scope creep is huge right now and ALPA reps know that. There is going to be accountability and more union involvement as it pertains to scope.

 

[JohnDoe]

There is going to be accountability and more union involvement as it pertains to scope.

Trouble is, the holding of accountability has to occur before further damage is done. Otherwise, what is the use?

There is history of scope giveaway, yet they remain.......

Boggles the mind everytime I read "if they give up scope one more time there will be heck to pay...." Do something about it now. Not after. There isn't enough history and damage already??

 

[FUZZO]

I agree with almost everything you said.

The company has been "looking at" the 100-seat option for over 4 years now. In the base notes from a couple weeks ago, RA is not happy with the progress being made on the new Honeywell geared-turbofan technology. (Bombardier C-Series)

Either way, when a decision is made, it is going to be until at least 2013 or so before you would see anything on the property. In the meantime, things are going to be getting pretty interesting after SOC. The company will be looking for any excuse to outsource all of our jobs.

I know it has been said before, but I think that scope creep is huge right now and ALPA reps know that. There is going to be accountability and more union involvement as it pertains to scope.

Very well put RedRum. Make sure you vote for new faces and a fresh persepective in the upcoming elections, we don't need more of the same old ideas and approaches. Last thing I want is to be out on furlough or be close to it again. The current direction of the MEC/LEC is doing just that.

 

[andyd]

Well the last recall drive failed miserably....perhaps not enough of the pilot group was angry enough, well we just welcomed 5500 or so angry North types...no offense intended, you are all very welcome. But PLEASE join the fray and vote to make some changes. We can either work within the current MEC or vote them out...but we NEED to do something! We can start by those of us who are able to: Vote for David Nestor and other like minded individuals. They will hold the MEC's feet to the proverbial fire and if the results are not adequate then they will be shown the door. I trust and believe David Nestor...you should too.

 

[FUZZO]

I agree andyd. I have only met Dave a couple of times, but guys like himself that are in direct fire due to the MECs inability to look past their own egos, have a lot riding on the next few years and anything that benefits someone at their seniority only benefits the rest of us. On APC the attacks appear to be coming from other candidates and current MEC members(in my opinon anyways), however, it shows to me that Dave and others like him are the right choice. Tell everyone to vote.

 

[General Lee]

I have heard rumblings about a possible DFW base again too. Using MD90s, hitting select cities (mainly our INTL hubs) to feed them for INTL flights. We apparently have a lot of platinum medallion customers still wanting another choice in DFW other than AA. I doubt that a new DFW base will ever be close to the size it once was, but that is better than nothing. We will see........


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FUZZO]

I have heard that too Gen. Lee. it makes sense, delta now has alot of metal they can play with. Thus, entertaining virtual basing makes sense. Delta could cherry pick all over the country to bring into their international hubs in addition to the current structure. Just a thought.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

As long as they keep parking crj's it's all good!

 

[INIT REF]

Don't be fooled by the 'actively seeking 100 seat' mantra. It's a tired smokescreen to get bargaining leverage. The company needs a panacea to keep the perma-f/os optimistic about movement versus being rightfully pissed off (and militant about scope and work rules) at losing their (my) left seat to Connection flying.

Don't swallow the blue pill.

 

[FUZZO]

No blue pill here. Just want the 100 seater here and scope lots of it and more flying done by ONLY Delta pilots.

 

[JohnDoe]

well we just welcomed 5500 or so angry North types...no offense intended, you are all very welcome. But PLEASE join the fray and vote to make some changes.

Unfortunately, alot of the 5500 "angry" north types aren't as "angry" as you think. This is not the same group that struck in '98.

We had our lipservice "line in the sand" with regards to greater than 50 seat rj's. That line was obliterated. But hey, it's all good, we got to keep crew meals and laundry service on international flights.

After seeing the results of the council 20 nomination vote, I don't have much confidence in a changing of the same-ole-same-ole.

 

[WayBack]

No blue pill here. Just want the 100 seater here and scope lots of it and more flying done by ONLY Delta pilots.

1st. This thread starts off with the key word, RUMOR!!

2nd. This is Delta you're talking about. The guys who hand out flying to regional carriers like it's free pancakes.

 

[Jabwmu]

Unfortunately, alot of the 5500 "angry" north types aren't as "angry" as you think. This is not the same group that struck in '98.

We had our lipservice "line in the sand" with regards to greater than 50 seat rj's. That line was obliterated. But hey, it's all good, we got to keep crew meals and laundry service on international flights.

After seeing the results of the council 20 nomination vote, I don't have much confidence in a changing of the same-ole-same-ole.

I agree. Problem is only 400 or so voted in Dtw.

 

[JohnQ]

Well the last recall drive failed miserably....perhaps not enough of the pilot group was angry enough, well we just welcomed 5500 or so angry North types...no offense intended, you are all very welcome. But PLEASE join the fray and vote to make some changes. We can either work within the current MEC or vote them out...but we NEED to do something! We can start by those of us who are able to: Vote for David Nestor and other like minded individuals. They will hold the MEC's feet to the proverbial fire and if the results are not adequate then they will be shown the door. I trust and believe David Nestor...you should too.

The reason the last recall drive failed miserably is that not every pilot believes the same group-think mentality of those who frequent message boards. We can think for ourselves thank you, and don't automatically buy that LM has given away the farm just because some angry pilots say so.

In fact, most angry message board posters don't remotely represent the average line pilot--no more than Keith Olbermann and Sean Hannity represent the average liberal and conservative voter.

That said, I do think that there is an atmostphere of a bit of elitism and away-from-the-troops disconnectedness at our MEC. I have flown with Capt Nestor, and he is a good guy. Perhaps he is the guy we need at this time.

But I honestly think that LM will be looked at in hindsight a lot like Harry Truman--despised when leaving office, respected by historians years later (did you know that Truman had the lowest approval ratings of any president when he left office, and that record stills stands?). Last I checked, we currently don't have any furloughs, got at least something in BK when our pensions were trashed (unlike a lot of other carriers both present and past) with the claim and the note, preserved nearly all of our decent work rules, and proactively worked with management to be a crucial player in a successful merger (again, unlike other mergers both present and past).

Of course there are always the naysayers, the lob-grenades-from-the-sidelines sorts who always know what we should have done yesterday, but haven't a clue as to what to do tomorrow, who will say "big deal, it all would have happened anyway, LM had nothing to do with it, etc".

I don't agree.