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John I can appreciate and understand your point of view, but I think what I and others are trying to do is not be on the sideline and voice our opinions and be heard. However, because the union either chooses to ignore or go on it's own agenda, we are not being heard. No amount of talking to my rep, showing up at meetings, or sending a certified letter with questions directed at my reps(which they never answered or returned) has gotten them to pay attention to what i as a bottom half of the seniority list pilot would like to see change. Maybe I am wrong but I don't agree with a wait and see point of view, that is why there are so many RJs flying around the system.
 
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It is not the person but the mindset. If our current leadership changes then they are the right people for the job. the biggest thing that people want is communication. Tell them how it is, do not defend a decision if possible, but tell them why you voted the way you did.
I know it is hard not to defend yourself when you get attacked as a rep. It is human nature, but people want to know WHY. They are not getting that. It is the root cause to date.
Pilots want their union to beleive that Scope, Restoration, and their input is/are what matters to the LEC/MEC Reps. To date they(you and me) do not see that.
I can tell you that if the guys you are talking about get elected in to 44, they are going to look at you to help. Once person, or a set of four people cannot change this. It takes the group. That means you need to get involved too. I hope that many of you, who are very talented people, set up up to the plate and serve in some capacity in the coming years!
Here is to us! Cheers!
 
how about we purchase 717's? we can buy airtrans and others throughout the world, nothings better to replace the dc9 then another dc9-717!!!
 
how about we purchase 717's? we can buy airtrans and others throughout the world, nothings better to replace the dc9 then another dc9-717!!!


Wouldn't that be ironic? We buy airframes from the company we sold DC-9's to, to compete with us.
 
Wouldn't that be ironic? We buy airframes from the company we sold DC-9's to, to compete with us.
yes it would be but it wold allow airtran to go to the single aircraft type and allow us to continue with the iconic DC9 in which we need to paint one with the Black nose like DAL did in the past ;)
 
Well the last recall drive failed miserably....perhaps not enough of the pilot group was angry enough, well we just welcomed 5500 or so angry North types...no offense intended, you are all very welcome. But PLEASE join the fray and vote to make some changes. We can either work within the current MEC or vote them out...but we NEED to do something! We can start by those of us who are able to: Vote for David Nestor and other like minded individuals. They will hold the MEC's feet to the proverbial fire and if the results are not adequate then they will be shown the door. I trust and believe David Nestor...you should too.


Lots of offense taken, you sit here and preach this when we tryed to keep Compass on our MEC...virtual control of a regional and you Delta types voteded it away...need I say more?
 
Lots of offense taken, you sit here and preach this when we tryed to keep Compass on our MEC...virtual control of a regional and you Delta types voteded it away...need I say more?


Andy did not do that. The MEC did. They sought pilot input, but in the end determined that the input that they got, was not really what the rank and file wanted.
 
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5. up to 15 777s to be delivered in next 2 years

6. A fleet of up to 60 MD90s

7. New basing methods(virtual) are being looked at (cost/benefit analysis)

8. New base will be opened

This is all second hand, dont' know how legit it really is.

The 15 777's - are those options Delta will exercise, or extra orders?
I heard RA just signed paperwork on 20 MD90's - anyone heard the same?
Very good new about new base/virtual bases!

Thanks
 
Debt/Equity Ratio19.83debt/equity ratio 19.83 DAL
debt/equity ratio 0.70 LUV

not a financial guy by any strech....but what is your thought on these numbers???
 
The 15 777's - are those options Delta will exercise, or extra orders?
I heard RA just signed paperwork on 20 MD90's - anyone heard the same?
Very good new about new base/virtual bases!

Thanks


777's- cool!
MD90's- cool!

virtual bases? I'm pretty wary about that. Stinks of a concession waiting to happen. The FA's have to arrange their own sick coverage at the virtual bases...
 
777's- cool!
MD90's- cool!

virtual bases? I'm pretty wary about that. Stinks of a concession waiting to happen. The FA's have to arrange their own sick coverage at the virtual bases...

Who is to say we have to do that ********************, we are pilots. Are work rules are always better. Lets set the bar a little higher and not just think what we should get.

Next question. Where do you live? Let me guess in a hub.
 
Who is to say we have to do that ********************, we are pilots. Are work rules are always better. Lets set the bar a little higher and not just think what we should get.

Next question. Where do you live? Let me guess in a hub.

I agree, that is not something that we would have to do. Lets wait and see what they are thinking. It is a logistical nightmare unless there are a lot of people that live there, and the same equipment flies there a lot. To date that changes a lot.
 
Debt/Equity Ratio19.83debt/equity ratio 19.83 DAL
debt/equity ratio 0.70 LUV

not a financial guy by any strech....but what is your thought on these numbers???


The US Gov't has about the same numbers, and you don't see Obama sweating, do you? ;)

You guys used to never lose money in a quarter too, and that changed. What about charging extra for a seat or for boarding? That changed too. Things change, and our mangement seems to have a handle on things. We went to BK and unfortunately got cleaned up---both DL and NWA. We have an advantage compared to other legacies. You have your model, and sometimes it works, sometimes not. Our financial guys seem to make great money, so I would have to hope they know what they are doing.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Not a financial guy either but it seems pretty obvious to me. Delta is 19 times better than luv. Duh!!:laugh:


Debt/Equity Ratio19.83debt/equity ratio 19.83 DAL
debt/equity ratio 0.70 LUV

not a financial guy by any strech....but what is your thought on these numbers???
 

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