Video of Congressional Hearings. Watch This!!!

[Sedona16]

Nice job by Jeff Skiles and Prater! The president of ATA and RAA (Cohen) along with head of Emery Riddle full of shiz! Not impressed by FAA Babbit....his true colors starting to show through even more

Great comments by congressman Mcmahon at 2:17:30!

I like the fact that Congress still seems committed to over-riding the FAA if they don't get the 1500 ATP rule included under the ARC.

More talk of regulating commutes.

Click on link below. It will appear the meeting is over....be patient and it will spool up and get started. Right click in the middle of the video and select "zoom" all the way up to full screen if desired.

http://transportation.edgeboss.net/wmedia/transportation/20090923av.wvx

 

[Beechnut]

Good find. I wish I could record it to watch later.

Where was the commute discussion? What was being said by who?

 

[MCDU]

Nice job by Jeff Skiles and Prater! The president of ATA and RAA (Cohen) along with head of Emery Riddle full of shiz! Not impressed by FAA Babbit....his true colors starting to show through even more

Great comments by congressman Mcmahon at 2:17:30!

I like the fact that Congress still seems committed to over-riding the FAA if they don't get the 1500 ATP rule included under the ARC.

More talk of regulating commutes.

Click on link below. It will appear the meeting is over....be patient and it will spool up and get started. Right click in the middle of the video and select "zoom" all the way up to full screen if desired.

http://transportation.edgeboss.net/wmedia/transportation/20090923av.wvx

That is not Mcmahon. That is Defazio. He is great. And knows his stuff. Prater and Skiles did great. Babbit is a little two faced.


M

 

[BRA]

Dr. Brady: Nice try but poor arguments. He said the pilots with under 500 hours outperformed the new hires with more time through 2006-2008. At that time many new hires had around 500 hours. That's just what it was, the ones with 1500 hours were the ones that probably got shot down at multiple interviews before an airline finally decided to take a chance on them. In many cases the guys that had that kind of time when everyone was hiring were the ones that really were not employable. I wonder what the results were if they broke it down between pilots with a 135 background and those without. CFII vs only a CFI.

Oh no, ERAU may lose its supply of new flight students that want to pay $53,300 for year 1. That sure would be too bad for someone. The link is below:

http://www.erau.edu/admissions/estimated-costs.html

The 1000 hours after the first 500 is the same hour over and over again. Laughable.

 

[Sedona16]

That is not Mcmahon. That is Defazio. He is great. And knows his stuff. Prater and Skiles did great. Babbit is a little two faced.


M

Oh ok, just saw the name tag when he was talking and thought that was him. Yeah he did a nice job. I must admit I am always a skeptic when it comes to our government and our industry but it appears these guys in congress are in fact going to get this bill pushed through (its already apparently been written) regardless of what Babbitt (aka "two face"), ATA and the RAA do.

It makes me REALLY nervous when I hear the likes of Babbitt and the weenie from Emery Riddle spouting off about quality and not quantity.....it wouldn't take much for that lame argument to morph into ab initio which would be like the 13 death nail of this industry!

 

[samballs]

I like the opening speech when he says "if you think 1500 is to high, the your expectations are to low Mr. Babbit".

 

[MCDU]

Its all about supply and demand. If we want to get our wages up, we need to cut the supply of low experience. There is a huge pipleline of 250-500 hour pilots. But 1500 hours (still low)will make it alot harder for pilot factories to put out replacement pilots that have taken the jobs at the real carriers.

DOH matters

M

 

[kf4amu]

When were these hearings?

 

[Metro752]

Yisterdee

 

[Sedona16]

Yesterday

When were these hearings?

On Wednesday, September 23, 2009, at 10:00 a.m., the Subcommittee on Aviation met in room 2167 of the Rayburn House Office Building to receive testimony on the Federal Aviation Administration's Call to Action on Airline Safety and Pilot Training.

 

[Draginass]

Looks like Babbit has morphed into a double-talking boy of the airline CEOs. The ATA and RAA reps were stuttering tools. The college pilot-mill rep was just trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Prater and Skiles were the only ones that spoke directly and unambigously.

It remains to be seen what "owns" the US Congress and FAA, air safety or the corporate execs.

 

[samballs]

Mcmahon, called out babbit and Babbit ran in circles at the end

 

[MCDU]

Mcmahon, called out babbit and Babbit ran in circles at the end

You mean Defazio.

M

 

[Captain X]

Prater and Skiles did great.

Shhhhh! You're not allowed to say stuff like that.

 

[Indy319FA]

Skiles made the guy from Riddle look like an idiot. Hopefully some good legislation will come of this, but I'm not holding my breath. I was hoping someone would ask if all those instructors at Riddle were wasting their time flying around doing the same thing every day.....

 

[samballs]

The fat kid sitting behind Babbit, keeps looking at him like he is full of sh!t

 

[Goffer]

Where was the commute discussion? What was being said by who?

1:38.00 by Mr. Costello. That's as far as I got, more after dinner.

 

[ualdriver]

I thought it was a really good hearing. Like Prater or not, he got some excellent points in, and he "named some names," to the tune of Colgan, Pinnacle, and TSA and their punitive treatment of pilots calling in sick and/or fatigued. I'm glad ALPA had a seat at that table and the rule making table.

Dr. Brady I think came across as very self serving. He acted as if the ERAU's and UND's of the world would be going out of business if ATP mins became a new standard for sitting as a F/O on a RJ. Funny how them seemed to survive just fine when 2000-3000 hours was the "de facto" minimum for a commuter pilot job back in the day. He also seemed to imply that if you give a new pilot great training, there's no need for any additional experience before strapping on a RJ.

 

[MELVIS]

Anybody else not able to open the video? Safari 10 user

 

[kf4amu]

I thought it was a really good hearing. Like Prater or not, he got some excellent points in, and he "named some names," to the tune of Colgan, Pinnacle, and TSA and their punitive treatment of pilots calling in sick and/or fatigued. I'm glad ALPA had a seat at that table and the rule making table.

Dr. Brady I think came across as very self serving. He acted as if the ERAU's and UND's of the world would be going out of business if ATP mins became a new standard for sitting as a F/O on a RJ. Funny how them seemed to survive just fine when 2000-3000 hours was the "de facto" minimum for a commuter pilot job back in the day. He also seemed to imply that if you give a new pilot great training, there's no need for any additional experience before strapping on a RJ.

Damn right. I watched the whole thing this afternoon. Loved it. Prater seemed to get some balls naming names then saying "Do you want me to keep going? I can. I have a whole book of detailed instances where pilots have been punished for calling in sick or fatigued".

Dr Brady is such a goober. I wish someone had brought up the fact that 10 years ago you needed 3000 hours for an interview and now its 300...yet 10 years ago all the universities were doing fine.

 

[get2flyin]

Always nice to see the name Jeff Skiles pop up out of the sewer. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I can't help but wonder how he'll blame America West pilots for causing the crash of the Colgan flight in Buffalo like he blamed them for the fact he's not a wide body Captain. What a D-Bag.

 

[Goffer]

I wonder if Dr. Ehlers was referring to physical strength when he was talking about the reasons for students washing out, not just passing the medical? The last job I had the new female pilot never had to fly the C207 because the controls where too heavy for her to manipulate, and the new Airvans were light on the controls. That used to tick me off when I got stuck flying the "skypig" sweating my butt off with no A/C on hot days, only because the new hire didn't have the strength to handle the 207 with the heavy nose.

 

[Draginass]

Yea, "Dr" Elders finally admitted (after virtually lying before about the washout rate) that most washouts were due to the very high cost of the pilot-mill program, and NOT due to rigors of the program. I guess if you've got enough money, you make it. That guy was pretty slimy, come to think of it.

I was impressed with the Prater's testimony, but given the upping of flight time limits per day that ALPA is proposing, it sound like they're doing their usual thing of giving away more concessions to industry. ALPA is a bunch of pansies.

 

[astropilot]

I believe that if this bill can be made into law it will help our pilot positions to be a better job option. I also think that you might see the Frozen ATP program here in the US for pilots below 1500hrs. Lastly, the one thing we as pilots should do to help is to alert more people about this bill. Most of my fellow pilots don't know any details or nothing at all.

 

[A-V-8]

I have a looming suspicion that the ATP part will not pass due to the amount of lobbying against it by the flight schools and the regional airlines. United hired a bunch of folks with 250 hrs didn’t they? If it does pass I foresee some sort of waiver being passed in the future when regionals can’t find people. It will be like “As long as you train them to ATP standards then they can fly with a multi commercial” which is the standard now it is just not worded that way. That will pass through the ignorance of the general public like a speeding bullet.

Additionally that Riddle guy seems like a D bag. So since I didn’t go to his school I can never be as good as a Riddle pilot? I have flown with lots of Riddle guys and I would describe all of them as more professional and having more tact than him. He is officially the first Riddle pilot that I have ever disliked!

 

[kf4amu]

He is officially the first Riddle pilot that I have ever disliked!

Most of the flight line administrators are d-bags. They think their ******************** don't stink and their students end up being flight-gods.

He refered to a 121 f/o position as an "entry level position". I wish someone had pointed out that the public and the whole panel would disagree...especially the families of Colgan 3407. He also said the extra experience was "unnecessary". What an idiot.

 

[PCL_128]

Always nice to see the name Jeff Skiles pop up out of the sewer. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I can't help but wonder how he'll blame America West pilots for causing the crash of the Colgan flight in Buffalo like he blamed them for the fact he's not a wide body Captain. What a D-Bag.

Yeah, he may be a scumbag, but at least CAPA is using his celebrity for something useful.

 

[waveflyer]

Haven't watched the video- but is there any talk of upping academic standards and making the process harder and more standardized across the board? I think that will do more to raise wages than just upping flight time. Align academics with Europe.

 

[MCDU]

Yeah, he may be a scumbag, but at least CAPA is using his celebrity for something useful.

The guy you think is a scumbag was flying airplanes long before you decided to give thousands of dollars to an airline that was owned by a sc*b.

Mr. PFT_128 is calling the Vice President of CAPA a scumbag. Perfect. Shows the idiot you are. That is why you are on the other team. My team is formed on union principles like DOH.

Your team Mr. PFT_128: give money to get a job , give up pension without a vote , give up scope without a vote, give up DOH , give to age 65 without a vote. Its all about giving and short term gains. GREED. That is the core of the PFT_128 team.

M

 

[get2flyin]

The guy you think is a scumbag was flying airplanes long before you decided to give thousands of dollars to an airline that was owned by a sc*b.

Mr. PFT_128 is calling the Vice President of CAPA a scumbag. Perfect. Shows the idiot you are. That is why you are on the other team. My team is formed on union principles like DOH.

Your team Mr. PFT_128: give money to get a job , give up pension without a vote , give up scope without a vote, give up DOH , give to age 65 without a vote. Its all about giving and short term gains. GREED. That is the core of the PFT_128 team.

M

Wow..that took you a lot longer than I expected. If you think so much of the guys on your team, maybe you should ask one of them to meet you for a drink, maybe more. Who knows, there are worse ways to meet a soulmate, right?