More CR7's for American Eagle

[SPDBRD747400]

Looks like AE has more CR7's coming, along with putting First Class in their current CR7's. Maybe now DL will want ASA, Comair, & Skywest to convert theirs with First Class also?

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2729

Also:

Mesa Sucks!

 

[Anonymous2]

Interesting news, looks like some people gave in to allow some more rrrrrjjjjjj's. But Shhh....they probably didn't want anyone to realize that.

 

[FOAgain]

Interesting news, looks like some people gave in to allow some more rrrrrjjjjjj's. But Shhh....they probably didn't want anyone to realize that.

This was a previous give in by you know who. I'm sure they're a little grumpy this morn.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Today AMR and American Airlines made a number of important announcements, including the raising of an additional $1.3 billion in cash reserves, the restructuring of AA and Eagle schedules at several key hubs, the continuation of AA's fleet renewal, and the addition of many new international flights. Finally, Eagle announced that it has signed a letter of intent with Bombardier to exercise its options to purchase 22 new CRJ-700 aircraft. The purchase of these aircraft will be fully financed. I encourage you to go to Jetnet to read AA’s press release and a letter to employees from AMR CEO Gerard Arpey.

The combination of all of these announcements is very positive for AMR, AA and American Eagle. The improvement in AMR's cash balance as a result of the financing agreements will better enable the corporation to manage through this difficult environment and focus on doing the things necessary for intermediate and long-term success. The network changes will make the AA/AE combination more competitive in our most important markets and the addition of 22 CRJ-700s will better enable Eagle to support the AA network and make Eagle a stronger company.

The new aircraft will start arriving in June of 2010 and will be delivered in a two-class configuration, resulting in Eagle's first "First Class" cabin. Starting next spring, Eagle will also commence retrofitting our existing fleet of 25 CRJs to include a first class cabin, so that our entire fleet of 47 CRJ-700s will offer premium class service.

The schedule changes announced today will impact Eagle in a number of ways. First, our schedule in Chicago will be increased, including the shifting of most of the DFW-based CRJs to Chicago starting next spring. Schedules will be increased at JFK and MIA and reduced at BOS and RDU. AA will take over some Eagle routes. Eagle will take over some AA routes and AA and Eagle will share a number of routes for the first time. Final specific schedules are still being nailed down but many of the changes will occur in April of 2010, with the remaining changes occurring over the course of the summer of 2010. More details on the schedule changes can be found on Jetnet.


We are in the process of determining the impact these changes will have on staffing requirements for each of our work groups and will be communicating on this topic as soon as we have definitive information to share.


I believe that the schedule changes which AA has directed for Eagle -- and for AA's other regional partner, Chautauqua Airlines, which AA intends to shift from STL to ORD -- will make the AA network more successful in this extremely competitive business. I am pleased that Eagle will be playing an important role in these changes to strengthen the network and to begin detailed planning for delivery of the new CRJs. I hope you share my pride in the fact that AA has confidence in our ability to respond to these requests and to operate the new schedule safely and reliably.


Today's announcements are consistent with our Plan to Win and its three major strategies of retaining AA as a customer, preparing for growth, and aligning employee interests.


Thank you for everything you do to work safely and provide outstanding service to our customers and each other.



Sincerely,


Peter M. Bowler

 

[Metro752]

So is this going to be +Aircraft or replacing ERJs and other AC?

 

[EMBPILOT1]

A friend told me that Management is breaking the news to the CHQ folks today that the STL base is closing in April after 10 years of being a crew base. The aircraft and crews will move to ORD. I think STL will be down to only 36 or so flight a day under AA. Kind of sad if you can remember that place in the 90's and early 2000's.

 

[GlenQ]

So would Eagle then be hiring?

 

[CX880]

So would Eagle then be hiring?

22 airplanes which will only begin to arrive mid to late next year. 70+ pilots furloughed. No net gain in airplanes.. just replacing some of the saabs and erjs in the desert. Probably not for at least a year or two.

 

[waka]

The title of this thread should have been Less Flying for the Mainline.

 

[meyers9163]

The title of this thread should have been Less Flying for the Mainline.

No because this is a net gain for AA as well. They will gain flying out of all bases. In addition the new "flying" will serve cities such as MIA-TYS and ORD-DAY. Routes in which none of the mainline equipment really works. However routes that will provide feed into the hubs for the Mainline planes to fill up..... Unlike the true replacement of RAH and the PHL-DFW, PHL-IAH and routes such as those that are too long for a regional aircraft.

 

[Lynxman]

22 airplanes which will only begin to arrive mid to late next year. 70+ pilots furloughed. No net gain in airplanes.. just replacing some of the saabs and erjs in the desert. Probably not for at least a year or two.

Its going to take more than 70 pilots to man 22 new planes.

 

[Homer Jay]

The title of this thread should have been Less Flying for the Mainline.

Exactly! Do you all REALLY want to stay in the regionals?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Unless they get rid of 22 turbo props other small jets.

 

[Tarzan]

What is all this talk about Eagle? This is an ASA board! Get your own! Wait, you guys have your own board, right?

 

[waka]

No because this is a net gain for AA as well. They will gain flying out of all bases. In addition the new "flying" will serve cities such as MIA-TYS and ORD-DAY. Routes in which none of the mainline equipment really works. However routes that will provide feed into the hubs for the Mainline planes to fill up..... Unlike the true replacement of RAH and the PHL-DFW, PHL-IAH and routes such as those that are too long for a regional aircraft.

No, because my point is that anything over 50 seats should be mainline, period.

I guess that it's a little too late for that now.

 

[pipejockey]

No, because my point is that anything over 50 seats should be mainline, period.

I guess that it's a little too late for that now.

You are completely wrong!! Anything over 0 seats should be mainline, period! But no, oh the humanity if the dorks coming out of the military with their guaranteed mainline job had to fly an aircraft with less than 100 seats at regional pay for 3 to 5 years. They are too good for that, thus we have the regional carriers for civilian pilots who are just scraping by, and the mainline jobs are reserved for the military pilots with the gaps at mainline being filled in by us 2nd rate civilian guys. If anyone doesn't think this is a huge part of the problem as to how we got to this point with regionals flying more and larger aircraft, then your head needs to be checked!

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Mainline guys had the chance to fly regionals years and years ago and chose not to. They opened a door that can't be closed.

 

[waka]

You are completely wrong!! Anything over 0 seats should be mainline, period! But no, oh the humanity if the dorks coming out of the military with their guaranteed mainline job had to fly an aircraft with less than 100 seats at regional pay for 3 to 5 years. They are too good for that, thus we have the regional carriers for civilian pilots who are just scraping by, and the mainline jobs are reserved for the military pilots with the gaps at mainline being filled in by us 2nd rate civilian guys. If anyone doesn't think this is a huge part of the problem as to how we got to this point with regionals flying more and larger aircraft, then your head needs to be checked!

Whoa there Skippy. I agree with your sentiment. However, there is a place for regional airlines. Perhaps the number is less than 50 but, it is definitely more than 0.

I disagree with your if/then statement. Regional carriers are not "for civilian pilots" as there are plenty of ex-military in the regionals. There are prima donnas in the military as well as the civilian world. The real problem has much more to do with the Wal Martization of the airline industry and weak kneed pilot unions. Also, this us vs them.civilian vs military attitude you has doesn't help solidarity one bit......something that the industry really needs.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Whoa there Skippy. I agree with your sentiment. However, there is a place for regional airlines. Perhaps the number is less than 50 but, it is definitely more than 0.

I disagree with your if/then statement. Regional carriers are not "for civilian pilots" as there are plenty of ex-military in the regionals. There are prima donnas in the military as well as the civilian world. The real problem has much more to do with the Wal Martization of the airline industry and weak kneed pilot unions. Also, this us vs them.civilian vs military attitude you has doesn't help solidarity one bit......something that the industry really needs.

This is more correct, and level headed.

 

[Full of LUV]

Military not a factor any more....

You are completely wrong!! Anything over 0 seats should be mainline, period! But no, oh the humanity if the dorks coming out of the military with their guaranteed mainline job had to fly an aircraft with less than 100 seats at regional pay for 3 to 5 years. They are too good for that, thus we have the regional carriers for civilian pilots who are just scraping by, and the mainline jobs are reserved for the military pilots with the gaps at mainline being filled in by us 2nd rate civilian guys. If anyone doesn't think this is a huge part of the problem as to how we got to this point with regionals flying more and larger aircraft, then your head needs to be checked!

Pipejockey,
I think your disdain for the military pilots is a little out of date as the paradigm has now changed. I think the military probably produces about a 1/3 to 1/2 less pilots than just a decade ago, look at all the types of planes that have been retired. Of those, many many more are Helo pilots compared to fixed wing of last decade. The military is even accelerating that transition with increased UAV usage. Of the fixed wing pilots, many do not get out until retirement age because of the way the industry has worked for the last decade, and of those, many have no wish to go to a "regional" job for just enough wages to cover the tax on their pension.
Bottom line, I don't think it's the military pilots that by and large take the $30K a year jobs and compete with the embry riddle and Comair academy grads. Most of the military pilots are older with families so this living in an RV in the LAX airport to fly planes is not a viable option. So in that vein, you are right, that if there was no opportunity for a fixed wing military pilot to hire into a position that was a least a livable wage within a few years, there would be no military presence in the airlines.

 

[pipejockey]

Pipejockey,
I think your disdain for the military pilots is a little out of date as the paradigm has now changed. I think the military probably produces about a 1/3 to 1/2 less pilots than just a decade ago, look at all the types of planes that have been retired. Of those, many many more are Helo pilots compared to fixed wing of last decade. The military is even accelerating that transition with increased UAV usage. Of the fixed wing pilots, many do not get out until retirement age because of the way the industry has worked for the last decade, and of those, many have no wish to go to a "regional" job for just enough wages to cover the tax on their pension.
Bottom line, I don't think it's the military pilots that by and large take the $30K a year jobs and compete with the embry riddle and Comair academy grads. Most of the military pilots are older with families so this living in an RV in the LAX airport to fly planes is not a viable option. So in that vein, you are right, that if there was no opportunity for a fixed wing military pilot to hire into a position that was a least a livable wage within a few years, there would be no military presence in the airlines.

Yes, we are on the same page here. Because the military guys will flat out refuse to fly the RJ's and turbo props because of pay, you will never see all of an airlines flying brought back into the domain of the mainline pilots where it belongs. So those in this industry who have not gone the military route but instead went civilian with a regional and perhaps didn't get their regional job until 30 years old or so, and are stuck in the quagmire of one of the several airlines with 10 year upgrades, these folks will not get the PIC time needed for a job at a major until they are well into their 40's. And because mainline pilots will never approve anything that would require their military buddies to have to fly regional aircraft at regional pay for a few years, even though they would all be on the same list as everyone else, and given time would be able to hold an aircraft with 100+ seats and be on major pay, as a result 70% of the regional pilots will be stuck at these puke regionals for the rest of their lives.

Destroying the careers of many thousands of civilian pilots stuck at the regionals by keeping separate seniority lists thus blocking them from mainline equipment, just to protect the military to mainline superhighway seems a tad unjust. Ever hear the saying that the good of the many outweigh the good of the few?

 

[B727FA]

A friend told me that Management is breaking the news to the CHQ folks today that the STL base is closing in April after 10 years of being a crew base.

Interestingly enough, 09 was the sked end of the STL/TWE//AACnx deal anyway. Not a shock to BB in IND for sure.

 

[Speedtape]

No, because my point is that anything over 50 seats should be mainline, period.

I guess that it's a little too late for that now.

And Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny should be real..............!

Don't worry, furloughed AA pilots will be the Captains on them, so I guess you got a compromise.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

Interestingly enough, 09 was the sked end of the STL/TWE//AACnx deal anyway. Not a shock to BB in IND for sure.

Actually it was or is 2013. They signed the 10 year deal in 2003. I am actually shocked it lasted as long as it did. BB would get rid of all his 50 seat or less aircraft if he could.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Don't worry, furloughed AA pilots will be the Captains on them, so I guess you got a compromise.

Huh? We don't have any flowbacks left at Eagle....at least as Captains.

 

[I Hate Freight]

No, because my point is that anything over 50 seats should be mainline, period.

I guess that it's a little too late for that now.

Wait until the 90-seaters show up at Eagle.

 

[shroomwell]

So what are the upgrades at Eagle right now?

 

[I Hate Freight]

So what are the upgrades at Eagle right now?

We have 9.5 year f/o's.

 

[Draginass]

Interesting news, looks like some people gave in to allow some more rrrrrjjjjjj's. But Shhh....they probably didn't want anyone to realize that.

Nope, it was a grievance. It was a arbitrators decision. He rolled for AMR contending that they had a secret verbal agreement to keep the options open on hundreds of millions of dollars of aircraft which they did not tell the American pilots' union about, even though it was required. He awarded a total victory for the AMR management and zero penalty for non-compliance with the contract.

Draw you own conclusions.

 

[NRHPilot]

We have 9.5 year f/o's.

10 years in March for me in the right seat.