There goes your job ....

[CopilotDoug]

Hi!
Toyota was recently deciding between Tucson and Ontario for a new plant. They went with Ontario, because individuals pay more taxes in Ontario than in Tucson. Since Canada has Universal Health Care, Toyota wouldn't have to pay health care costs for their employees.

So you want more jobs which, due to taxes, pay less?

 

[CopilotDoug]

I respectfully disagree. Less tax revenue from the rich means somebody else would have to shoulder the load. Namely, You and I, and the rest of the middle class. If you recall, RTS said that during his interview with CNBC: the owner's leisure travel has not dropped much, it is the business travel that dropped because of the recession.

While the housing and financial sector started this recession, but it is primarily sustained because of less spending from the middle class. If the middle class has to continue to shoulder the extra loads in tax obligations that the rich is avoiding, than the middle class' spending will continue to be depressed. So it'd prolong this recession and the fractional (business traveler's) recovery and future growth.

This contradicts your position...we're being held back because of less spending by the middle class. Yet you're supporting a measure which keeps money from reaching the open market (Taxes)

More Taxes= Less Spending= Stagnant Economy

 

[gunfyter]

So you want more jobs which, due to taxes, pay less?

Canada is lowering their Corporate Tax rate to 15% ... The US rate is 35%.

Which do you think costs more?

Health care for employees ... or the 20% more in tax the US charges Toyota than Canada does?

Companies are moving to Canada because of the lower Corporate tax rates ....


BTW ... The Fair Tax reduces corporate taxes to ZERO. Companies will be moving from Canada to the US ... and the jobs will come here with them....

 

[BoeingBaller]

Let me guess..... You get "creative" and find a way to pass this cost on to your customer through higher prices. Or you cut back on one of your vendors or suppliers and their business is affected negatively. Or you sacrifice quality. Or your employees work harder for the same wage.

How exactly is this "not as bad as everyone thinks"????

Or if you somehow innovated and found a way to increase revenue without sacrificing any of the things I mentioned.... and you sit down to balance the budget at the end of the year and then REALIZE how much you could have made without the added tax.... how does that make you feel? Do you think you would have spent any of that "extra" money that went to taxes?

If so, I'm sure that the person who owns the business you would have spent it at would have been very thankful for some added revenue to help off-set the cost of those new taxes he couldn't find a "creative" way to get around!

If you must know last time I had a unforeseen circumstance take me under a little I fought back by adding 2 more commission only sales guys to increase sales for the company. The result was good the only down side was more of a headache of me trying to balance a overseas flying job while running a business back in the US. The point of my original post before was there will always be change and you will have to find ways to move on and deal with it. Or you can go right to the worst possible scenario right away and assume your job is going to go away that will always help. It is what it is and most owners will overcome it without a lifestyle change.

 

[johnsonrod]

Higher taxes = fewer jobs created and more global outsourcing. If I were a small business owner, why would I want to create new jobs to capture growth opportunities if I were on the hook for both a higher minimum wage (imposed during a recession?) and upcoming escalated healthcare costs when I could just get some cheap dude in India with a PhD to do the work for far less??? Ask yourself that question.

Big point: Obama is a SOCIALIST and anyone who voted for him is complicit. Sure, McCain/Palin was not a good choice either but slick Barack was able to convince voters he was not going to make some of these draconian changes. Evidently he now claims he has had a "change of heart based on new information." Yeah, right... That's called BAIT AND SWITCH.

The huge debt load we will be incurring will haunt our children and grandchildren for decades. Think about that next time you go to the polls. Socialism is counter to American ideals and anyone who voted for Obama is now partially responsible.

By the way, did you know that Barack's real first name is "Barry" and that he officially changed it to Barack years ago? No joke.

 

[brokeflyer]

didnt matter who was elected...we woulda been fcked either way.

I wanted Jesses Ventura for prez

 

[GerryG]

Thanks Stalin for your comments. Say hello to Karl Marx for me.

Easy there Joseph...

"His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between the internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men. [...] We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it — and rather successfully." Edward R. Murrow

 

[gunfyter]

Gerry,

Murrow I guess never read Treason by Ann Coulter. If he had he would have known McCarthy was vindicated and essentially right.

 

[GerryG]

Lol

Gerry,

Murrow I guess never read Treason by Ann Coulter. If he had he would have known McCarthy was vindicated and essentially right.

Nice try...

But on another note, Bill Clinton has written a book entitled Trust Me With Your Teenage Daughter, in which he describes his flair for telling bedtime stories. Said Bill, "You just gotta love the way the little darlings sit up and listen when I tell them about the Big Bad Wolf and Goldilocks."

Hey my wife and I are going out for our anniversary tonight, I wonder if he's available? Sophie is a precious child, but kind of an early bloomer.

 

[Hawker800]

Have a fine evening GerryG.

 

[jetwash]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

It adds more competition to the insurance industry. I am willing to bet that United Health or Kaiser won't be raising their premiums 35% a year any more when there is competition who will probably just raise it with inflation.

If you don't want it keep your own.



BTW,
Comrade Johnsonrod, can you give us some FACT based examples that our Commander in Chief is a socialist?

It is unpatriotic to criticize the Commander in Chief during a time of war.

I think I smell a Taliban sympathizer who needs a one way ticket to Gitmo and little water boarding as well. :uzi:

 

[exagony]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

It adds more competition to the insurance industry. I am willing to bet that United Health or Kaiser won't be raising their premiums 35% a year any more when there is competition who will probably just raise it with inflation.

If you don't want it keep your own.



BTW,
Comrade Johnsonrod, can you give us some FACT based examples that our Commander in Chief is a socialist?

It is unpatriotic to criticize the Commander in Chief during a time of war.

I think I smell a Taliban sympathizer who needs a one way ticket to Gitmo and little water boarding as well. :uzi:

So you admit that for the past 8 or so years the Democrats have been nothing but unpatriotic Taliban sympathizers, at least you have the guts to admit the truth....

 

[ned plimpton]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

It adds more competition to the insurance industry. I am willing to bet that United Health or Kaiser won't be raising their premiums 35% a year any more when there is competition who will probably just raise it with inflation.

If you don't want it keep your own.

It's not that simple. Or at least not to anybody that chooses to study history and basic economics. Sure, it may appear to you that the government is providing "competition" in the marketplace, but the reality is that they will enjoy an UNFAIR advantage! They will be the only player in the game with the POWER of setting "price controls" as well as being able to regulate their competitors. And with this unnatural advantage, how long do you really think it will be before they are the only player in the game?

In fact, introducing this plan as an "option" is nothing more than a strategic move to EXPLOIT and take advantage of the viewpoint you just endorsed. They know from experience that they can't ram an overnight switch to universal coverage down our throats.

Starting out as an "option" is simply their way of getting their foot in the door while minimizing the public resistance and biding their time. And you are playing right into their hand.

Make NO mistake.... the ulitmate goal IS universal government coverage.

 

[gunfyter]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

If you don't want it keep your own.

We can't afford it ... AND ... its against the Constitution of the United States to have federal health care.

And that's the evidence Obama is a Socialist. He follows the Communist Manifesto instead of the COTUS.

And we can't keep our own insurance when this comes ... we will lose our jobs when our passengers are taxed out of the Jet market... paying for Health Care ....

 

[jetwash]

It's not that simple. Or at least not to anybody that chooses to study history and basic economics. Sure, it may appear to you that the government is providing "competition" in the marketplace, but the reality is that they will enjoy an UNFAIR advantage! They will be the only player in the game with the POWER of setting "price controls" as well as being able to regulate their competitors. And with this unnatural advantage, how long do you really think it will be before they are the only player in the game?

In fact, introducing this plan as an "option" is nothing more than a strategic move to EXPLOIT and take advantage of the viewpoint you just endorsed. They know from experience that they can't ram an overnight switch to universal coverage down our throats.

Starting out as an "option" is simply their way of getting their foot in the door while minimizing the public resistance and biding their time. And you are playing right into their hand.

Make NO mistake.... the ulitmate goal IS universal government coverage.

The "OPTION" option is used in Sweden and in Switzerland where private insurance companies compete against the government option. It seems to work there.