There goes your job ....

[jetwash]

And that's the evidence Obama is a Socialist. He follows the Communist Manifesto instead of the COTUS.

And we can't keep our own insurance when this comes ... we will lose our jobs when our passengers are taxed out of the Jet market... paying for Health Care ....

Please give a factual example that he follows the Commie Manifesto.



All over Europe they have universal health care and Netjets Europe seems to be doing OK.
So I guess Universal health care and fractional jet ownership can co-exist.

 

[ned plimpton]

The "OPTION" option is used in Sweden and in Switzerland where private insurance companies compete against the government option. It seems to work there.

This statement is absolutely FALSE.

Switzerland is actually the only country in Europe where ALL insurance is private.

As for Sweden.... yes, they have both government and private "options", but for a DRASTICALLY different reason. Their old-style government-run system was so flawed and stagnant that they are moving in the direction of PRIVATE care.

They have suffered under rationing and waiting-lists and shortages etc etc that their old-style government-run healthcare produced for so long that the PRIVATE options have been introduced as a REMEDY. ANd it is working! The areas around Stockholm with the highest concentration of private care serve as a stark contrast to the conditions that those under the old-system continue to endure.

 

[gunfyter]

Please give a factual example that he follows the Commie Manifesto.

His whole agenda is out of the Communist manifesto.

Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

And look at his picks for some of the Czar positions he has created:

“Green Jobs Czar” is a self-described “communist”

Browner is an environmental radical – and a socialist (seriously ...

​

Obama was mentored by Communist Party USA official, Frank Davis :
Obama's Communist Mentor


All this the tip of the iceberg.... A good place to start your research is the book The Obama Nation.

 

[jetwash]

This statement is absolutely FALSE.

Switzerland is actually the only country in Europe where ALL insurance is private.

.

Your statement is absolutely FALSE.

No need to apologize, I know you didn't mean to be wrong.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland



[edit] Private cover

The compulsory insurance can be supplemented by private "complementary" insurance policies that allow for coverage of some of the treatment categories not covered by the basic insurance or to improve the standard of room and service in case of hospitalisation. This can include dental treatment and private ward hospitalisation which are not covered by the compulsory insurance.
As far as the compulsory health insurance is concerned, the insurance companies cannot set any conditions relating to age, sex or state of health for coverage. Although the level of premium can vary from one company to another, they must be identical within the same company for all insured persons of the same age group, regardless of sex or state of health. This does not apply to complementary insurance, where premiums are risk-based.

[edit] Organization

The Swiss healthcare system is a combination of public, subsidised private and totally private systems:

• public: e. g. the University of Geneva Hospital (HUG) with 2,350 beds, 8,300 staff and 50,000 patients per year;
• subsidised private: the home care services to which one may have recourse in case of a difficult pregnancy, after childbirth, illness, accident, handicap or old age;
• totally private: doctors in private practice and in private clinics.

The insured person has full freedom of choice among the recognised healthcare providers competent to treat their condition (in his region) on the understanding that the costs are covered by the insurance up to the level of the official tariff. There is freedom of choice when selecting an insurance company (provided it is an officially registered caisse-maladie or a private insurance company authorised by the Federal Act) to which one pays a premium, usually on a monthly basis.
The list of officially-approved insurance companies can be obtained from the cantonal authority.

 

[jetwash]

His whole agenda is out of the Communist manifesto.

Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

And look at his picks for some of the Czar positions he has created:

“Green Jobs Czar” is a self-described “communist”

Browner is an environmental radical – and a socialist (seriously ...

​

Obama was mentored by Communist Party USA official, Frank Davis :
Obama's Communist Mentor


All this the tip of the iceberg.... A good place to start your research is the book The Obama Nation.

I am a little leery about the sources, In the first link when I read the words Fox news and Sean Hannity I became very skeptical. In the third link when I clicked the "about" from the news source the editor listed all of the FOX News programs that he appeared on (O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck etc..) So again I feel that there is a little "right wing bias"

What really peaked my interest was your statement.
Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

Can you expand on what you meant by "Public education is" I am little confused on that point.

 

[400pilot]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

It adds more competition to the insurance industry. I am willing to bet that United Health or Kaiser won't be raising their premiums 35% a year any more when there is competition who will probably just raise it with inflation.

If you don't want it keep your own.

The problem with this is option is that it will be subsidized by the taxpayers, creating an unfair advantage. The government option is not even designed to break even, let alone make money. If it was actually designed to break even, no increase in taxes would be necessary. The inability of the insurance companies to compete will have consequences. Any business that is not required to provide will drop their employee insurance, leading to millions more on the government tit and much higher program costs. The bottom line is we can not afford the entitlement programs currently in existence, let alone adding what will be the most expense one in history. As well, this option will promote the very things that have led to the huge increase in health care costs over the last 30 years, namely overuse and lack of competition.

There is no doubt that the health care system is in need of reform, however President Obama and liberals like him truly believe that more government is the only answer.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

The problem with this is option is that it will be subsidized by the taxpayers, creating an unfair advantage.

I am pretty sure that the current system is subsidized by the taxpayers (in real government payouts). In addition, close to 1/3 of your health care premium goes directly towards health care costs created by the uninsured.
Fox News don't tell you that, but what do you expect from an activist news channel.

 

[jonjuan]

Where's NJAOwner to weigh in on how these tax increases may/may not affect his decision to cut costs as they relate to luxury purchases (i.e. fractional ownership)?

 

[400pilot]

I am pretty sure that the current system is subsidized by the taxpayers (in real government payouts).

Pretty sure based on what? Your assumptions?

Medicare, Medicaid and the various free clinics by the states are subsidized. However, the vast majority is not. Medicare and Medicaid are both basically broke or will be soon. The government has a few options on how to deal with this. Raise taxes, deny coverage (raise retirement age), deny care (rationing) or reduce payments. They are already doing the last. More and more Doctors are denying to accept Medicare because they don't pay enough. This already happened in the office my wife worked in. Medicare didn't even want to pay the "break even" amount, which wasn't much at all.

In addition, close to 1/3 of your health care premium goes directly towards health care costs created by the uninsured.

Do you think this will change with government health insurance? Do you really believe in the end these same people will either pay or be required to pay any premiums or copays?

Fox News don't tell you that, but what do you expect from an activist news channel.

Are you serious? That is part of your response? As opposed to CNN, MSNBC and all the rest that promote liberal crap? That lame argument is getting old. It is what it is. Besides, any of these so called news agencies have no value for real information. Nice try...

 

[brokeflyer]

congress needs to stop paying themselves a few million per year....

 

[gunfyter]

What really peaked my interest was your statement.
Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

Can you expand on what you meant by "Public education is" I am little confused on that point.

It is the 10th Planck of the Communist Manifesto.

 

[jetwash]

It is the 10th Planck of the Communist Manifesto.

OK thanks, I looked it up and found this is what you meant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[7]

So you think Public schools should be stopped and Child factory labor should be brought back?

Were you home SKOOLED?

 

[ozpilot]

We can't afford it ...

I keep hearing this from all the media talking heads.

In 2008 the US will spend 17% of its GDP on health care, almost twice what other developed countries spend. And yet while they manage to insure all their citizens we have nearly 46 million Americans uninsured.

I think a relevant question is - Where is the health care we're already paying for?

 

[gunfyter]

This is interesting.

It's Not An Option


Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.
​

 

[gunfyter]

OK thanks, I looked it up and found this is what you meant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[7]

So you think Public schools should be stopped and Child factory labor should be brought back?

Were you home SKOOLED?

No I went to a Private School in NYC.... Were you publeak screweled?

I think the Constitution should be followed and there should be no Federal involvement in schools. Education is not one of the powers delegated to the United States by the COTUS. That power is reserved to the States and to the People.

Similarly, the United States is not delegated the power to provide national health insurance ....

 

[jetwash]

My doctor supports it as well as his Medical Association, I guess that he is not worried about the government getting between us.











American Medical Association Supports H.R. 3200, “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009″

Released July 16, 2009
House bill expands access to high quality, affordable health care for Americans
Today, the American Medical Association sent a letter to House leaders supporting H.R. 3200, “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.”
“This legislation includes a broad range of provisions that are key to effective, comprehensive health system reform,” said J. James Rohack, MD, AMA president.
“We urge the House committees of jurisdiction to pass the bill for consideration by the full House.” H.R. 3200 includes provisions key to effective, comprehensive health reform, including:

• Coverage to all Americans through health insurance market reforms
• A choice of plans through a health insurance exchange
• An end to coverage denials based on pre-existing conditions
• Fundamental Medicare reform, including repeal of the flawed sustainable growth rate (SGR) formula
• Additional funding for primary care services, without reductions on specialty care
• Individual responsibility for health insurance, including premium assistance to those who need it
• Prevention and wellness initiatives to help keep Americans healthy
• Initiatives to address physician workforce concerns

“The status quo is unacceptable,” Dr. Rohack said. “We support passage of H.R. 3200, and we look forward to additional constructive dialogue as the long process of passing a health reform bill continues. This is an important step, but one of many steps in the process. The AMA is actively engaged with Congress and the administration to achieve health reform that best meets the needs of patients and physicians. We are committed to passing health reform this year consistent withprinciples of pluralism, freedom of choice, freedom of practice, and universal access for patients.”
MEDIA CONTACT:
Brenda Craine, 202-789-7447
Director, AMA Media

 

[jetwash]

No I went to a Private School in NYC.... Were you publeak screweled?

No, I went to Catholic school.
I still have the scars and nightmares to prove it.

 

[ned plimpton]

Your statement is absolutely FALSE.

No need to apologize, I know you didn't mean to be wrong.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

Unbelievable. How depressing.....

Trust me. If I was wrong I would humbly apologize, but there is nothing in your little wikipedia entry that proves me wrong.

Either your knowledge on this subject is not very strong or you are purposefully avoiding the parts that make you uncomfortable. I suspect both.

What may have you confused is that Switzerland has a law requiring everyone to have health insurance. HOWEVER, the only choices available are PRIVATE. There is no government health insurance option as you stated!!!!!! THis is even covered in the wikipedia piece! Did you even read it????

How about taking some time to do a little objective research beyond Wikipedia. How about looking in to how government intervention is the root cause of why healthcare is so expensive in this country to begin with. Then maybe you will understand the horror of what it's like to watch these fools try to put out the fires THEY have started by throwing more and more and MORE of their gasoline at it.

 

[rigger]

Florida had a sur tax like this. I didn't mind paying it one bit. Neither should anyone else fortunate enough to be making that amount of money.

What a BS quote, Most folks that have this kind of money are not FORTUNATE!!!!! They damn well earned it! saying this makes it sound like they (or you) did nothing to create this wealth for yourselves......like it's no different then if you were FORTUNATE to survive a crash or FORTUNATE to have food on the table or FORTUNATE to have a great family!!!

People are in the place they are in life by doing the things that keep them in this place!!!! both the good and the bad!

 

[jetwash]

Unbelievable. Switzerland has a law requiring everyone to have health insurance. HOWEVER, the only choices available are PRIVATE. There is no government health insurance option as you stated!!!!!
.

The government wrote the law
The government mandated that the insurers were non profit
The government pays for the poor who can't afford it.

No mater how you set it up the end result is that everyone has heath insurance and those who can't afford it are covered by the government.

Everyone is required to have health insurance and must get it from any of the government regulated non profit insurers for the minimum services.

Any extra services are paid for by the individuals that is where the confusion is. There is a set level of service which everyone has. Everything above that is done for a profit by the insurers.