There goes your job ....

[jetwash]

And that's the evidence Obama is a Socialist. He follows the Communist Manifesto instead of the COTUS.

And we can't keep our own insurance when this comes ... we will lose our jobs when our passengers are taxed out of the Jet market... paying for Health Care ....

Please give a factual example that he follows the Commie Manifesto.



All over Europe they have universal health care and Netjets Europe seems to be doing OK.
So I guess Universal health care and fractional jet ownership can co-exist.

 

[ned plimpton]

The "OPTION" option is used in Sweden and in Switzerland where private insurance companies compete against the government option. It seems to work there.

This statement is absolutely FALSE.

Switzerland is actually the only country in Europe where ALL insurance is private.

As for Sweden.... yes, they have both government and private "options", but for a DRASTICALLY different reason. Their old-style government-run system was so flawed and stagnant that they are moving in the direction of PRIVATE care.

They have suffered under rationing and waiting-lists and shortages etc etc that their old-style government-run healthcare produced for so long that the PRIVATE options have been introduced as a REMEDY. ANd it is working! The areas around Stockholm with the highest concentration of private care serve as a stark contrast to the conditions that those under the old-system continue to endure.

 

[gunfyter]

Please give a factual example that he follows the Commie Manifesto.

His whole agenda is out of the Communist manifesto.

Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

And look at his picks for some of the Czar positions he has created:

“Green Jobs Czar” is a self-described “communist”

Browner is an environmental radical – and a socialist (seriously ...

​

Obama was mentored by Communist Party USA official, Frank Davis :
Obama's Communist Mentor


All this the tip of the iceberg.... A good place to start your research is the book The Obama Nation.

 

[jetwash]

This statement is absolutely FALSE.

Switzerland is actually the only country in Europe where ALL insurance is private.

.

Your statement is absolutely FALSE.

No need to apologize, I know you didn't mean to be wrong.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland



[edit] Private cover

The compulsory insurance can be supplemented by private "complementary" insurance policies that allow for coverage of some of the treatment categories not covered by the basic insurance or to improve the standard of room and service in case of hospitalisation. This can include dental treatment and private ward hospitalisation which are not covered by the compulsory insurance.
As far as the compulsory health insurance is concerned, the insurance companies cannot set any conditions relating to age, sex or state of health for coverage. Although the level of premium can vary from one company to another, they must be identical within the same company for all insured persons of the same age group, regardless of sex or state of health. This does not apply to complementary insurance, where premiums are risk-based.

[edit] Organization

The Swiss healthcare system is a combination of public, subsidised private and totally private systems:

• public: e. g. the University of Geneva Hospital (HUG) with 2,350 beds, 8,300 staff and 50,000 patients per year;
• subsidised private: the home care services to which one may have recourse in case of a difficult pregnancy, after childbirth, illness, accident, handicap or old age;
• totally private: doctors in private practice and in private clinics.

The insured person has full freedom of choice among the recognised healthcare providers competent to treat their condition (in his region) on the understanding that the costs are covered by the insurance up to the level of the official tariff. There is freedom of choice when selecting an insurance company (provided it is an officially registered caisse-maladie or a private insurance company authorised by the Federal Act) to which one pays a premium, usually on a monthly basis.
The list of officially-approved insurance companies can be obtained from the cantonal authority.

 

[jetwash]

His whole agenda is out of the Communist manifesto.

Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

And look at his picks for some of the Czar positions he has created:

“Green Jobs Czar” is a self-described “communist”

Browner is an environmental radical – and a socialist (seriously ...

​

Obama was mentored by Communist Party USA official, Frank Davis :
Obama's Communist Mentor


All this the tip of the iceberg.... A good place to start your research is the book The Obama Nation.

I am a little leery about the sources, In the first link when I read the words Fox news and Sean Hannity I became very skeptical. In the third link when I clicked the "about" from the news source the editor listed all of the FOX News programs that he appeared on (O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck etc..) So again I feel that there is a little "right wing bias"

What really peaked my interest was your statement.
Progressive income tax is out of the Manifesto. Public Education is.

Can you expand on what you meant by "Public education is" I am little confused on that point.

 

[400pilot]

Why is everyone upset with the government health insurance option?

It is an option!!!!

It adds more competition to the insurance industry. I am willing to bet that United Health or Kaiser won't be raising their premiums 35% a year any more when there is competition who will probably just raise it with inflation.

If you don't want it keep your own.

The problem with this is option is that it will be subsidized by the taxpayers, creating an unfair advantage. The government option is not even designed to break even, let alone make money. If it was actually designed to break even, no increase in taxes would be necessary. The inability of the insurance companies to compete will have consequences. Any business that is not required to provide will drop their employee insurance, leading to millions more on the government tit and much higher program costs. The bottom line is we can not afford the entitlement programs currently in existence, let alone adding what will be the most expense one in history. As well, this option will promote the very things that have led to the huge increase in health care costs over the last 30 years, namely overuse and lack of competition.

There is no doubt that the health care system is in need of reform, however President Obama and liberals like him truly believe that more government is the only answer.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

The problem with this is option is that it will be subsidized by the taxpayers, creating an unfair advantage.

I am pretty sure that the current system is subsidized by the taxpayers (in real government payouts). In addition, close to 1/3 of your health care premium goes directly towards health care costs created by the uninsured.
Fox News don't tell you that, but what do you expect from an activist news channel.

 

[jonjuan]

Where's NJAOwner to weigh in on how these tax increases may/may not affect his decision to cut costs as they relate to luxury purchases (i.e. fractional ownership)?

 

[400pilot]

I am pretty sure that the current system is subsidized by the taxpayers (in real government payouts).

Pretty sure based on what? Your assumptions?

Medicare, Medicaid and the various free clinics by the states are subsidized. However, the vast majority is not. Medicare and Medicaid are both basically broke or will be soon. The government has a few options on how to deal with this. Raise taxes, deny coverage (raise retirement age), deny care (rationing) or reduce payments. They are already doing the last. More and more Doctors are denying to accept Medicare because they don't pay enough. This already happened in the office my wife worked in. Medicare didn't even want to pay the "break even" amount, which wasn't much at all.

In addition, close to 1/3 of your health care premium goes directly towards health care costs created by the uninsured.

Do you think this will change with government health insurance? Do you really believe in the end these same people will either pay or be required to pay any premiums or copays?

Fox News don't tell you that, but what do you expect from an activist news channel.

Are you serious? That is part of your response? As opposed to CNN, MSNBC and all the rest that promote liberal crap? That lame argument is getting old. It is what it is. Besides, any of these so called news agencies have no value for real information. Nice try...

 

[brokeflyer]

congress needs to stop paying themselves a few million per year....