There goes your job ....

[RP170]

Tax cuts did not cause a housing and financial services bubble, or its collapse...

And raising taxes on the rich will not help stimulate the economy either. These are the people that take financial risks and create jobs. They will be less likely to create jobs when they are paying more in taxes. As previously stated in this thread, they will most likely lay employees off to make up for the difference.

It's really ECON 101 stuff that this administration can't seem to grasp. I guarantee you this country will be worse off economically in 3-4 years than we are now. Bookmark this thread if you don't believe me.

 

[DUATS]

So says the "employee".
More class warfare. Until everyone pays, it will never be fare.

www.fairtax.org

"fare"?

Freudian slip, or intended pun?

 

[Trash8Mofo]

So many on this board were so quick to offer a "I'm sorry to hear about that" or a "good luck with everything" when one of our brothers losses his job; Yet, here's a chance for the unemployed to have some sort of health coverage for their families; and what do you say.... "No. Hell NO!" Oh, What sincerity!

How about you worry about doing your job to the best of your abilities, and let the rich people worry about how to pay you. Afterall, when those Chapter 11/Chapter13/ Furlough letters came, I didn't see one single investor/financier ask how the furloughees planed on putting food on the table for their families.

 

[HSDriver]

Econ 101

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

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That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.


The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".


All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.


As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.


When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.


All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


Could not be any simpler than that.

 

[gunfyter]

So many on this board were so quick to offer a "I'm sorry to hear about that" or a "good luck with everything" when one of our brothers losses his job; Yet, here's a chance for the unemployed to have some sort of health coverage for their families; and what do you say.... "No. Hell NO!" Oh, What sincerity!

Its against the Constitution for the United States to run health care. See the 10th Amendment to the Constitution which says:

"... the United States will NOT run a national health care system, or anything thing else not specifically delegated to the United States. All Powers not specifically delegated to the United States are reserved to the States, and to the People...."
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The best way to have health care is to have a job so a person can afford to buy it for themselves. That's the way to get health care for the most people.

A 5.4% surtax on our customers will equal fewer jobs and more unemployed fractional pilots. Tax cuts for the rich = MORE and bigger airplanes and MORE jobs for pilots!

 

[johnsonrod]

Bush helped the fractional business BIG TIME

You can say what you will about Bush - he did ruin my political party with his stupidity and heavy spending - but he was pro-business and he significantly helped the aerospace sector by providing lower taxes and things like accelerated depreciation on business aircraft (a huge boon for the fractionals and the manufacturers). Bush was a complete idiot in general but he was helpful to the fractional/corporate operators and we should remember that. Yeah, I still think his heavy spending and bloated governement over the last 8 years was DISGRACEFUL and anti-Republican. It makes little sense.

Regardless, I highly doubt Obama will EVER contribute to our job security in this business despite his pro-union stance. So many aviators voted for Obama and now they have to live with it. Reminds me of the old saying: "You made your bed and now you have to sleep in it..."

Just remember this one point going forward: OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST. If you are not happy with that and the endless bailouts using your tax money, vote Republican in 2012. Simple as that.

 

[RNObased]

If cap-and-trade and this health care crap pass we will all be out of jobs before long. It won't matter which fractional you work for. These policies Obama is proposing will have huge negative financial effects on the type of people and companies that use us.

Have you noticed how Obama is in a hurry to get all this crap done. Is that because if it was 2010, and the mid-term elections were on the horizon it would be hard to carry his agenda forward.

 

[gunfyter]

Ask yourself this:

Why have customers left private aviation?


Answer: Because they can't afford to fly on Private Jets. Not because service is improved at the airlines.


Do you think reducing their take-home income by 5.4% is going to improve this situation or hurt the situation?

This new policy will decrease jobs for us!

 

[BoilerUP]

“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down on his shoulders—what would you tell him to do?”

 

[jetwash]

Ask yourself this:

Why have customers left private aviation?


Answer: Because they can't afford to fly on Private Jets. Not because service is improved at the airlines.


Do you think reducing their take-home income by 5.4% is going to improve this situation or hurt the situation?

This new policy will decrease jobs for us!

Being a typical American I don't care about anyone else except myself. I am greedy and make my decisions on what is in my own best interest at that time.

I find it really amusing how people on this site have empathy for multi millionaires not being able to afford to fly to their vacation homes in Aspen but could care less about the poor who are struggling to provide health care to their families.

I will let you in on a secret, you are closer to being poor and without heath insurance then you are to be earning a million dollars a year and paying the 5.4% tax.

A co-worker of mine who was a neo conservative, anti-big government, anti socialized medicine pilot was furloughed recently. Having a sick child and being left to pay for COBRA insurance he was left to decide to pay for his kid's heath insurance or pay his mortgage. Lucky for him Obama cut the cost of COBRA for him from $1200 a month to $400 a month. His whole view of socialized medicine, big government and conservatism has now changed. I have empathy for him and his family.

By the way, do you think any of those millionaire passengers were worried about him and his family?

 

[DUATS]

10th Amendment

Its against the Constitution for the United States to run health care. See the 10th Amendment to the Constitution which says:

"... the United States will NOT run a national health care system, or anything thing else not specifically delegated to the United States. All Powers not specifically delegated to the United States are reserved to the States, and to the People...."
​

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Actual Wording of the 10th Amendment, U.S. Constituion:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Gunfyter:
If the side of conservitivism and common sense is to prevail, we must ensure that we are accurate in what we say. Otherwise we just sound like Sotomayor!!!

I do agree that taking another 5% from our owners/customers is not going to help get the 1,000+ fractional pilots currently not flying for the Big 4 back in the air.

 

[BoilerUP]

Being a typical American I don't care about anyone else except myself. I am greedy and make my decisions on what is in my own best interest at that time.

In much the same way, being a typical American I EXPECT and DEMAND the government to take care of MY problems when I need it. After all, I'm ENTITLED to it.

By the way, do you think any of those millionaire passengers were worried about him and his family?

No - why should they?

I understand the issues when one loses a job - my mother was let go from her company of 29 years last November, less than 7 hours after the election was called for Obama. She carried the health insurance for her and my father, and the reduced COBRA has been a great benefit for them.

Additionally, my wife is Type I diabetic and we've had to jump through all the pre-existing condition hoops with coverage before when carriers have attempted to (wrongly) deny coverage. Believe me, I'm acutely aware how important health care is and how expensive it can be to obtain on your own.

But my mom, dad, wife and I are not owed health care. Health care is a benefit of employment, not an intrinsic right of life or US citizenship. While the need for health care reform is obvious, we can't have true health care reform in the United States simply by creating another massive government agency - you MUST have tort reform. Without it, we're just throwing more money down a hole that will come out of the pockets of you, me, and everybody who employs anybody.

I (we) all get a paycheck in exchange for our services rendered - beyond that, nobody owes us anything.

 

[gunfyter]

Actual Wording of the 10th Amendment, U.S. Constituion:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Gunfyter:
If the side of conservitivism and common sense is to prevail, we must ensure that we are accurate in what we say. Otherwise we just sound like Sotomayor!!!

I do agree that taking another 5% from our owners/customers is not going to help get the 1,000+ fractional pilots currently not flying for the Big 4 back in the air.

That was my translation for the Constitutionally impaired....

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Tax cuts for the rich = MORE and bigger airplanes and MORE jobs for pilots!

I respectfully disagree. Less tax revenue from the rich means somebody else would have to shoulder the load. Namely, You and I, and the rest of the middle class. If you recall, RTS said that during his interview with CNBC: the owner's leisure travel has not dropped much, it is the business travel that dropped because of the recession.

While the housing and financial sector started this recession, but it is primarily sustained because of less spending from the middle class. If the middle class has to continue to shoulder the extra loads in tax obligations that the rich is avoiding, than the middle class' spending will continue to be depressed. So it'd prolong this recession and the fractional (business traveler's) recovery and future growth.

 

[GerryG]

WASHINGTON, July 14 (Reuters) - A sweeping overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system to be announced on Tuesday in the U.S. House of Representatives will include a surtax on millionaires of 5.4 percent, congressional sources said.
The tax rate is higher than the 3 percent surtax lawmakers had been discussing earlier and would be imposed on those making more than $1 million a year, the sources said.
(Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by Sandra Maler)

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Now your passengers can't afford a private jet anymore....

Do they email you the talking points, or do you just watch a lot of Fox (RNC apparatchik) News? I hope you were not this worried about the wealthy folks bottom lines back in 05 and 07 when you were looking for wages increases. I know I'm not.

So screw the uninsured as long as I gets mine. Is that it? Never mind that they are a drain on the overall health care system (everyone knows the best care can be found at your local E.R.) and we end up paying for the inefficiency of it all it in the end. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/233530/july-14-2009/the-word---guns--credit--and-corn