Freedum 6243

[samballs]

One can only hope you 2 are not pilots for much longer

 

[AiRegency]

C'mon man. Can't you at least give us a few details so we can scoff and point fingers as well?

 

[Jar Jar]

According to flightaware it hasnt even landed yet as of the time of this posting

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRL6243

 

[sweptback]

Deets, deets, we need deets.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Looks like on FA, they took off from CVG, then came back, says diverted. Then looks like it took off again for PHL.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Wait whats going on here?

 

[samballs]

They dpt CVG, about 10 minutes later tell app. they may have to go back. Another ten miutes go by controller ask 6243 what there intents are, they say we need to go back. Ok, are u declaring emergency "not yet" shaky voice replies. So she thinks nothing big starts vectoring them slowing them. Finally she comes back and says what is the nature of the problem "we were hit by lighting spidered window and we have smoke in cabin" replies very shaky voice. She very quickly replies "direct CVG". before she hands them over to APP. she ask how the smoke is they reply "doesn't seem to be getting any worse, we will need fire trucks" controller "souls on board and fuel" pilot basically crying "we did not declare an emergency" controller "I did for you". Remember after they were hit they kept forward for 10 minutes or so with smoke and window. Sorry for schetchy details but duaghter a sleep, and I waking her typing

 

[DX Rick]

I hope you're kidding, but something tells me you're not.

 

[samballs]

No not kidding, they were this bad, MAYBE WORSE but have to type fast, so I don't wake the cranky 20lb sack on my shoulder

 

[Salukipilot4590]

No not kidding, they were this bad, MAYBE WORSE but have to type fast, so I don't wake the cranky 20lb sack on my shoulder

Congrats on the 20lb sack!

...and still thats an intense story...I wonder if I can find something on LiveATC?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Can somebody answer this question for me?

Is there some sort of a stigma with declaring an emergency, and then feeling inferior in case somebody thinks the incident was never that serious to begin with? (Hope that statement makes sense)

Isn't "better safe, than sorry" appropriate?

 

[bigshooter107]

Can somebody answer this question for me?

Is there some sort of a stigma with declaring an emergency, and then feeling inferior in case somebody thinks the incident was never that serious to begin with? (Hope that statement makes sense)

Isn't "better safe, than sorry" appropriate?

Not me. FMS failure mayday!

 

[bigshooter107]

How did u hear this?

 

[Axel]

Smoke + airplane = immediate and dire emergency

 

[samballs]

How did u hear this?

Was on the JS of another plane in same area and was actually wearing a headset.

 

[SEVEN]

Freedumb and Mesa SUCK!!! If this is true. Both the Capt and the FO need their certificates in a paper shredder. God help us all, and those who are in the back of Mesa/Freedumb airplanes.

 

[SEVEN]

Stop freedumb & mesa now!!!

One can only hope you 2 are not pilots for much longer

They won't be if this is in fact true. The Feds will eat them for lunch. This is the kind of B.S. that gets lots of innocent people killed. Any moron can fly an airplane. But it's when the crap hits the fan that you want a professional in control. Not some shakey, nervous, immature college kid running the show.

 

[PA44Jockey]

I never thought I would say this, but CVG is probably one of the most dangerous airports to fly out of anymore. Between having a bunch of inexperienced flight crews flying for Freedom and having a bunch of run down and ticked off Comair pilots, I think many people are going to rethink paying for the most expensive tickets at the cost of their lives out of CVG. C'mon guys WAKE UP! You are professionals.

 

[SEVEN]

Can anyone get the ATC recording to work in the Archives? I can't get it to download right. Maybe someone smarter than me could post the link with the recordings. It was Indy Center and CVG Tracon/Approach. around 1730 UTC on the 11th.
http://www.liveatc.net/listen.php

 

[samballs]

Can anyone get the ATC recording to work in the Archives? I can't get it to download right. Maybe someone smarter than me could post the link with the recordings. It was Indy Center and CVG Tracon/Approach. around 1730 UTC on the 11th.
http://www.liveatc.net/listen.php

It would have been more like 1800-1830UTC, 100 -130pm and we were at fl210 so I think it would have been ZID LOW

 

[SEVEN]

It would have been more like 1800-1830UTC, 100 -130pm and we were at fl210 so I think it would have been ZID LOW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FRL6243/history/20090711/1655Z/KCVG/KCVG/tracklog
Based on the radar track, they would have landed around 1:50 pm Eastern time which is 17:50 Zulu. I was able to hear the tapes from the CVG local controllers. Still would like to hear the initial call-up on Indy center or CVG tracon. Do you remember when they initially told ATC. Was it on center or approach?

 

[dooork]

At least they took off on the correct runway and landed safely,a lot more than some can say.

 

[dowhite2]

True True

 

[deadstick]

Dang.

It'll be interesting to see how things will play out.


Swissair 111. Sound familiar? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[CA1900]

At least they took off on the correct runway and landed safely,a lot more than some can say.

And for an added bonus, didn't fall asleep at any point during the short flight. :laugh:

 

[pdub20s]

I just talked to the FO today... in their defense they had to run a few checklist and asses the situation. It wasnt as big of a mess you all are making it seem. they landed the plane safely and switched planes and carried on with the flight.

and seven.....

you can still suck a fat one

 

[wembadios]

Samballs, you are an a-s h-le
everybody once in a while hesitates about declaring an emergency. It all depends on the severity of the matter. if it's under control no big deal.
Deconneur.....

 

[N813CA]

Ok...... Broken window and smoke in the cabin...... No Brainer......At least ATC was smart enough to declare!!!

 

[www.]

Samballs, you are an a-s h-le
everybody once in a while hesitates about declaring an emergency. It all depends on the severity of the matter. if it's under control no big deal.
Deconneur.....

IF this was stated...
" 1 - we were hit by lighting
2 - spidered window and
3 - we have smoke in cabin"

..why would you think twice? Every checklist I have seen has "smoke in cabin" under "Emerg" not "abmnormal".

 

[COOPERVANE]

I just talked to the FO today... in their defense they had to run a few checklist and asses the situation. It wasnt as big of a mess you all are making it seem. they landed the plane safely and switched planes and carried on with the flight.

I love it!!!

Run a few(pl.) checklist....... look out the window and ass is the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BlUF9oZWfYhttp://www.spike.com/video/view-from-top/2458316