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[pdub20s]

I would write that to, to cover my ass. But he stated "we have smoke" and "the smoke has not got any worse". whats critical about being above 10,000

above 10000ft talking to TWR? come on son. they were in the sterile troubleshooting. it wasnt even bad enough to don the mask ... its ok son, i understand you were looking for a chance to make mesa pilots look like sub par aviaters. but its ok...try again some other time

 

[Dubya]

above 10000ft talking to TWR? come on son. they were in the sterile troubleshooting. it wasnt even bad enough to don the mask ... its ok son, i understand you were looking for a chance to make mesa pilots look like sub par aviaters. but its ok...try again some other time

I could not have said it any better.

Quite possibly the quote of the decade.

W

 

[OPECJet]

Running a checklist? YGTBFSM..... Lightning strike, shattered window, smoke (actual or smell), you'll find me, and every other professional putting it on the ground and worrying about the checklist later.

You can squawk all you want about the FAA wanting to know if checklist were used should the feces hit the rotating air mover. Truth be told there will be a lot more hell to pay if you let an airplane burn out from under you while you screw with checklists..... Stop making excuses and letting adherence to SOPs / checklists make up for a lack of sound airmanship. You need both to do this job right, and part of that is knowing when to toss the checklist in the floor.

 

[crj567]

above 10000ft talking to TWR? come on son. they were in the sterile troubleshooting. it wasnt even bad enough to don the mask ... its ok son, i understand you were looking for a chance to make mesa pilots look like sub par aviaters. but its ok...try again some other time

Must non-sub-par aviators can at least spell the word correctly....

-Yeah-You rock, Mesa rocks, and life is getting better every day!

-It really ain't too cool when ATC has to declare an emergency for guys who are to wussy to delare one on their own.... Tends to raise an eyebrow or two with the big guys.

Things like "smoke in the cockpit" "shattered windshield" and "lightning strike" are commonly referred to as hints. Hints that something is probably not right. Smart "aviators" take these hints and apply them in a practical manner. Of course, being such an "above-par-aviator," you already knew that-eh, P-Dumb?

 

[cjdriver]

This is way easy; cracked window alone means return. Stop the climb, ask for lower and an immediate return. Call for trucks standing by. Land the plane go home. Repeat as necessary.

 

[SEVEN]

Just so everyone knows: The Mesa pilots defending them is wrong again. If ATC has to declare the Emergency for you....gimme a break. That crew did not act quickly enough. It sounds to me like they were doing everything in their power not to declare an emergency. Not safe at all and has no business in the 121 world. Lightning strike, spiderweb windshield, smoke in the cockpit? No Emergency?!? Are you guys that clueless??? Friends don't let friends and loved one's fly on Mesa/Freedumb......Accident waiting to happen.

 

[pdub20s]

again I say, compare our record to those at other airlines

 

[BoDEAN]

sub par aviaters. but its ok...try again some other time

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[CX880]

Chuck Norris does not declare an emergency, ATC declares it for them.

 

[skyslug]

Geez, who do so many pilots think that declaring an emergency is either humiliating, makes one less of a Captain/Pilot, shows inexperience or embarassing. ???? There are't any "score cards" that deduct points from a Captain when an emergency is declared.

There is no harm in declaring an emergency when in doubt...and it sounded like they were in doubt. And one can always un-declare an emergency too if the situation warrants. It's no big deal...

 

[DX Rick]

I just talked to the FO today... in their defense they had to run a few checklist and asses the situation. It wasnt as big of a mess you all are making it seem. they landed the plane safely and switched planes and carried on with the flight.

and seven.....

you can still suck a fat one

Wow, it's a close race. But you are neck and neck in a race with being a bigger moron than the crew. It's best just to shut your hole, than try and defend these idiots.

 

[73belair]

Wow, it's a close race. But you are neck and neck in a race with being a bigger moron than the crew. It's best just to shut your hole, than try and defend these idiots.

No kidding... When EVERY other pilot here is saying they didn't do the right thing and you are the ONLY one who is. Maybe you are actually wrong.

 

[deadstick]

Running a checklist? YGTBFSM..... Lightning strike, shattered window, smoke (actual or smell), you'll find me, and every other professional putting it on the ground and worrying about the checklist later.

Exactly. I'd much rather explain why I pulled the E-trigger and landed, rather than the other scenario, like this one. I, and many other pilots, can turn the plane AND run checklists at the same time. What about CRM? CA manages the emergency and the FO flies? I think I ready that in a book or something.

Something about those not learning from history, etc, etc. I think I already mentioned the Swissair 111 accident, but the PC of this next one pointed the finger at the CA for not being proactive enough.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800819-1

I just think back to the great job that Compass crew did a few months ago after the FA got miffed for having to go to work. Didn't they go from FL310 to the ground in 6-7 minutes or something?

 

[SEVEN]

again I say, compare our record to those at other airlines

What record? That premise is foolish. You have to look at total incidents and and not just fatal accidents. Remember your crew members who BOTH fell asleep while operating a flight? I can keep going if you want. The list over the last 5 years is long enough. I'll tell you what though...if you guys keep up the unprofessional BS, you will have an accident. Mesa is a bottom feeder. They hire the scum of the industry. What exactly is that? It's the pilots that either got fired from other carriers, or applicants that failed to get a job at a decent place, and Mesa hired them. This is the foundation of the Mesa/Freedumb pilot group.
Let me put it to you this way, most furloughed pilots in the industry, wouldn't even consider Mesa for a job. That has to tell you something about a place as crappy as that.

Maybe you should take a good look in the mirror. Mesa and Freedumb are bad bad places. They are everything a good, decent, and respectable regional airline carrier should not be.

 

[Abbey]

I never thought I would say this, but CVG is probably one of the most dangerous airports to fly out of anymore. Between having a bunch of inexperienced flight crews flying for Freedom and having a bunch of run down and ticked off Comair pilots, I think many people are going to rethink paying for the most expensive tickets at the cost of their lives out of CVG. C'mon guys WAKE UP! You are professionals.

Pinnacle, Skywest, and Republic all have the same DOH year as Freedom with the most junior captain. I would say that you better be careful at any airport with your criteria of inexperience.

 

[acaTerry]

If your wing falls off, do you need a checklist to tell you you're f**ked?

Not often that I agree with Abernathy, but A-MEN to that!

 

[acaTerry]

Chuck Norris does not declare an emergency, ATC declares it for them.

Yeah right....as if an emergency would dare appear on Chuck Norris's plane.

 

[WayBack]

again I say, compare our record to those at other airlines

Listen up idiot.
They don't keep records of how many times Mesa has gotten lucky.
Those two girls are the most lucky Mesa pilots out there. Stalling an airplane right above the runway? You can't fix stupid.
There is a reason you are at Mesa, and it isn't because you're a good pilot. It's because you paid for MAPD, and they're more than willing to hire a warm body.

 

[Abbey]

Listen up idiot.
They don't keep records of how many times Mesa has gotten lucky.
Those two girls are the most lucky Mesa pilots out there. Stalling an airplane right above the runway? You can't fix stupid.
There is a reason you are at Mesa, and it isn't because you're a good pilot. It's because you paid for MAPD, and they're more than willing to hire a warm body.

I thought Comair, Pinnacle, CoEx, ASA, etc. were pay to play. I guess I am showing my age.

Funny, those that did "buy in" are the experienced ones now. Gee.

 

[pdub20s]

It's because you paid for MAPD, and they're more than willing to hire a warm body.

ha! MAPD...Never!!