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:beer: for ALL (pilots and non-pilots) who took any and all deals (LOAs/early-outs/reduced schedules/opted-in) from NJA/NJI/NJLA. You all have raised the bar in regarding teamwork with this industry. Not to mention jobs saved, families are happy and a lot of people can rest easier now.

Keep up the hard work!!!

Happy Father's Day to those that wear that badge.

To ALL the pessimistic types (you know who you are) that said NetJets couldn't do it need to pat them on their backs since you rode those same back into your wallet. Remember NJ is the tip of the spear and it showed in the 2007 contract that your companies matched in pay (not benefits, schedule, uniform allowance, and other good stuff) now maybe you'll get some jobs back too. The standard has been set yet again, so go get your company to raise their bar and get back jobs for your guys/gals.

Good luck to those out here outta work. You may work for other companies, but you all are still fellow brothers/sisters who fly.
 
Guys, Gals, Brothers, Sisters,

A door has been opened once again thrusting NJA into the annals of history, a door which leads us into a new world of strengthened cooperation between pilot group and management, two groups traditionally fighting with another have told all the naysayers we will not stoop to snap decisions, poor business tactics, and have preserved our -wide companies' name, level of respect, and NetJet wide pride in our family. NJA pilots, NJI pilots, and most importantly all the non pilot workforce dug deep, and here we stand, no furloughs, no layoffs, leaner to continue our battle againt this econmic storm.
I am proud we all put aside our differences, no matter how petty they are, and got the job done. I am proud to be NetJets, and will be until I hang up the spurs some time from now.
The dawn brought sunny skies, but now the hard job is upon us. We need to keep the faith going and not falter one iota, to preserve every single family member of NetJets until we have navigated out of this Nor'easter.

Keep the good fight on, my brothers and sisters!
 
Congrats to all of you over there. Here's to things getting better for all of us in the Fractional/Charter/Corporate business.
 
Have you noticed there has been nary a word from our "friend" on ANY applicable threads? I guess F&H stopped the paychecks.....
 
I'm not sure if the union had to push for the VM, or if credit goes to RTS for coming up with it, but it sure worked out great for the employees, and RTS showed class in the video, unlike some CEOs running companies today.
 
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From what I understand, the union went to mngmnt several months back but managment wasn't really too interested then..either way atleast the job got done and we can keep the status quo until things turn around
 
Crobar said:
I'm not sure if the union had to push for the VM, or if credit goes to RTS for coming up with it, but it sure worked out great for the employees, and RTS showed class in the video, unlike some CEOs running companies today.
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the union went to senior management as early as december and pointed out the good relationship between the two groups offered an opportunity to take proactive measures that would enable the company to withstand an economic downturn while minimizing the impact to individual employees. It wasn't until february that it became clear to NJA this was necessary.

i believe there were two main reasons for success. the relentless approach of the Union to take aggressive steps early to avoid draconian steps later and the desire of the company to remain strong in the publics perception. I believe it was pointed out to them that furloughs are the result of lazy management that can't think outside the box. They produce short term savings - but the long-term costs are incalculable, particularly when you consider how the group that is furloughed will perform their duties when they return. If NJA truly considered itself unique and apart from other fractionals, here was the perfect opportunity to demonstrate it.

regardless of the measures taken by the union or the company, it is clear this had no chance of success if the employees of every NJA division both union and non-union stepped up. The fact they did so is a tremendous achievement.
 
We at NetJets really haven't been WHO has elected the early-outs and I'm not sure they're planning on it. I'm well aware of the attrition list, however, I think the folks that made the ultimate sacrifice deserve more than just a blanket "Thanks a lot." I couldn't even begin to imagine how hard it must have been to make that decision to hang it up. To be willing to walk away from what's now being called the number one job to have in the industry to save someone else's job is very humbling and admirable. I just don't think a "thanks" can cover it.
 
G200_PILOT said:
We at NetJets really haven't been WHO has elected the early-outs and I'm not sure they're planning on it. I'm well aware of the attrition list, however, I think the folks that made the ultimate sacrifice deserve more than just a blanket "Thanks a lot." I couldn't even begin to imagine how hard it must have been to make that decision to hang it up. To be willing to walk away from what's now being called the number one job to have in the industry to save someone else's job is very humbling and admirable. I just don't think a "thanks" can cover it.
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It was a pretty good package deal for some of those senior guys that took the early outs, some were grossing over 200k, they're walking away with 3 years pay which will net them about the same as what they were taking home once they get into the lower tax bracket, so they're taking home nearly the same and not working for the next three years, lot of fishing can be done it that time!
 
Crobar said:
It was a pretty good package deal for some of those senior guys that took the early outs, some were grossing over 200k, they're walking away with 3 years pay which will net them about the same as what they were taking home once they get into the lower tax bracket, so they're taking home nearly the same and not working for the next three years, lot of fishing can be done it that time!
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Say what?

I think we had a total of 1 BBJ pilot who took the early out. I only mention the BBJ pilot because he would be the only one who would be even close to grossing $200K.

A captain who has been here over 15 years, AND who is on the 18-day schedule may get within $25K of $200K, but would still require significant O/T (which we haven't been getting much of for a while now) to make it past that mark. Not sure how you came up with the money figure.

When we say a bunch of "senior" guys took the early out, I think we mean "senior" as it refers to chronological age, not time with the company in this case.

I know a number of the early out guys, and while they've been with the company significantly less time than I have (I've been here over 12 years), they are fairly senior in age. But I assure you they couldn't have been making anywhere near $200K, even on the 18-day sched.

Not saying it isn't a good deal for them though. If they were thinking of retiring anyway, being able to go out with this package was one heck of a good deal for them! And it saved jobs!! A win for everyone.
 
wolfpackpilot said:
You can partially thank us NJI'ers... Percentage wise we gave 3X's more.

But I thought we were dropping this whole NJA/I thing.... :cool:
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Trust me, that fact has not gone un-noticed... I'm proud of how pilots from the GIV/GV fleets (notice I didn't say NJI) stepped up to the plate!

We're all family now. There is no I/A/LA -- only NetJets (or NJ which is so much easier to type!)

Who's ready for a group hug????!!! ;)
 
realityman said:
A captain who has been here over 15 years, AND who is on the 18-day schedule may get within $25K of $200K, but would still require significant O/T...
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Top of the scale on the 18-day would be $187K. Check Airman or NRFO would be another $17K or $14K, respectively. That'd put a long-timer over $200K as well.
 
Crobar said:
I'm not sure if the union had to push for the VM, or if credit goes to RTS for coming up with it, but it sure worked out great for the employees, and RTS showed class in the video, unlike some CEOs running companies today.
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Regardless I would say RTS couldn't have done a better job with this situation. He was a real cheerleader towards the end, and IMHO saved my job.
 
realityman said:
Say what?

I think we had a total of 1 BBJ pilot who took the early out. I only mention the BBJ pilot because he would be the only one who would be even close to grossing $200K.

A captain who has been here over 15 years, AND who is on the 18-day schedule may get within $25K of $200K, but would still require significant O/T (which we haven't been getting much of for a while now) to make it past that mark. Not sure how you came up with the money figure.

When we say a bunch of "senior" guys took the early out, I think we mean "senior" as it refers to chronological age, not time with the company in this case.

I know a number of the early out guys, and while they've been with the company significantly less time than I have (I've been here over 12 years), they are fairly senior in age. But I assure you they couldn't have been making anywhere near $200K, even on the 18-day sched.

Not saying it isn't a good deal for them though. If they were thinking of retiring anyway, being able to go out with this package was one heck of a good deal for them! And it saved jobs!! A win for everyone.
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I was referring to the 50+ NJI pilots that took the early out, they were not paid under our CBA scale, and the talk was those Gwizz guys were making quite a bit of money.
 
Very impresive! I think Netjets and its pilots have really shown the industry what quality teamwork can accomplish!

Cheers to you all!
 
Attitude

But I do not think everyone flying is content with this outcome. We have had about 8-10 flights in the last 2 months and I would charactierze that most of the pilots fall into 2 groups:

2/3 are friendlier than ever and at some point during the flight whole heartedly give us a "thank you for flying us in these times" and "we really appreciate your flying with us because being a pilot can be rough ..."

the other 1/3 just have a "pissed" attitude, not quite surly, but I can't think of the right word, and just keep it bottled up and don't say a word. This is diffrent when during the contract negotiations there was a group of pilots who were actively trying to tell us something they did not like.

Years ago I was told that in a "good compromise" no one is totally happy. It means everyone gave in.

Fly safe, and thanks.
 
NJAowner said:
But I do not think everyone flying is content with this outcome. We have had about 8-10 flights in the last 2 months and I would charactierze that most of the pilots fall into 2 groups:

2/3 are friendlier than ever and at some point during the flight whole heartedly give us a "thank you for flying us in these times" and "we really appreciate your flying with us because being a pilot can be rough ..."

the other 1/3 just have a "pissed" attitude, not quite surly, but I can't think of the right word, and just keep it bottled up and don't say a word. This is diffrent when during the contract negotiations there was a group of pilots who were actively trying to tell us something they did not like.

Years ago I was told that in a "good compromise" no one is totally happy. It means everyone gave in.

Fly safe, and thanks.
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Funny that you bring this up. Recently, I have started to hand the lead passenger my business card at the end of the flight. I tell them that if they noticed anything that I could improve upon, to please let me know anytime even if it's in an email two weeks from now. EVERY owner has taken that request really well. I tell them that I appreciate any feedback and I thank them whole heartedly for giving me such a great place to work. Without them, none of us would have a great job like this right now. That's when I hear comments like yours about other recent flights... NOT GOOD!

FWIW NJAowner, I have recently taken myself out of the soupbowl when it comes to our private union message board. Unfortunately, the 1/3 you speak of all seemed to have found their way in. I'm not saying that I didn't make waves over the years, but the hatred and anger these last two months have created have forced many, like myself, to log out and stay away.

As an owner here, I thank you for your business and loyalty. I can only hope that the rest of the owners we have here right now are able to look the other way if they run across bozos like that. Although, it would have made things a lot easier had we simply gotten rid of those bad apples. Then we wouldn't have had to go through this in the first place. ;)
 
G200 -- you are obvoiusly in the 2/3 I spoke of. And in reflection I was a little harsh -- I would say it is more 75-25 or even 80-20. It is just the extra effort is very, very noticeable and I think will make things better for all.

Thanks.
 
NJAowner said:
G200 -- you are obvoiusly in the 2/3 I spoke of. And in reflection I was a little harsh -- I would say it is more 75-25 or even 80-20. It is just the extra effort is very, very noticeable and I think will make things better for all.

Thanks.
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I'm hoping that 25% was part of the group that was on the tip of the spear so to speak and were simply feeling the stress of an uncertain future. Clearly though it is critical now more than ever to provide a superior service that is difficult for our owners to step away from.....
 
The internal message board is back to normal. Not sure if that's because of G200's departure or because several hundred of our guys just got a big relief, but it's a happy place again. :D
 
take a look at the >15 year class 4 pay scale again.....

realityman said:
Say what?

I think we had a total of 1 BBJ pilot who took the early out. I only mention the BBJ pilot because he would be the only one who would be even close to grossing $200K.

A captain who has been here over 15 years, AND who is on the 18-day schedule may get within $25K of $200K, but would still require significant O/T (which we haven't been getting much of for a while now) to make it past that mark. Not sure how you came up with the money figure.

When we say a bunch of "senior" guys took the early out, I think we mean "senior" as it refers to chronological age, not time with the company in this case.

I know a number of the early out guys, and while they've been with the company significantly less time than I have (I've been here over 12 years), they are fairly senior in age. But I assure you they couldn't have been making anywhere near $200K, even on the 18-day sched.

Not saying it isn't a good deal for them though. If they were thinking of retiring anyway, being able to go out with this package was one heck of a good deal for them! And it saved jobs!! A win for everyone.
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CA1900 said:
The internal message board is back to normal. Not sure if that's because of G200's departure or because several hundred of our guys just got a big relief, but it's a happy place again. :D
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Bro, I know you're just being a smartass but as far as the boards being a happy place again, that's the first lie I've read from you... Ever. That's a bit depressing. I get emails on a daily basis from folks I don't even know following my "lead" so to speak. Just today I got a message saying that it is worse than ever.

The boards are a joke right now and you and I both know it.

As far as passing the 25% off to just a temporary issue is a bit BS too man.
 
G200_PILOT said:
Bro, I know you're just being a smartass but as far as the boards being a happy place again, that's the first lie I've read from you... Ever. That's a bit depressing.
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Of course I was being a smartass (about it being related to your departure), but I don't see nearly the negativity that I did a week ago. Do what you like; doesn't matter to me. I'm just telling you what I'm seeing, and calling me a liar doesn't change it.
 
G200_PILOT said:
Bro, I know you're just being a smartass but as far as the boards being a happy place again, that's the first lie I've read from you... Ever. That's a bit depressing. I get emails on a daily basis from folks I don't even know following my "lead" so to speak. Just today I got a message saying that it is worse than ever.

The boards are a joke right now and you and I both know it.

As far as passing the 25% off to just a temporary issue is a bit BS too man.
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Seriously, you take the bbs way to serious. Go have a drink and stop living your days on what you read and say on the fking message board. My God, just log off for a few weeks and relax. It is not such a big deal.
It gets ugly every 18 months or so. Why does this come as a shock?
 

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