Commuting under attack because of crash

[UndauntedFlyer]

I fully expect that a result of this will be a personal log of rest prior to any duty period. Rest will be defined to include no more than 2-hours of travel. This change will greatly improve a pilot's qualilty of life.

Once in the past the airlines maintained "dog houses" in the hangars for crews to sleep. They were actually quite nice with clean beds. Maybe the dog houses will make a comeback.

 

[DX Rick]

I fully expect that a result of this will be a personal log of rest prior to any duty period. Rest will be defined to include no more than 2-hours of travel. This change will greatly improve a pilot's qualilty of life.

Once in the past the airlines maintained "dog houses" in the hangars for crews to sleep. They were actually quite nice with clean beds. Maybe the dog houses will make a comeback.

Are you kidding me? Airlines won't even hand out crew meals, to keep turn times to a minimum. But they're going to set up beds with clean bedding for free?
I sleep in the crew room and been hearing how they're going to crack down on the guys sleeping in there. There are 10-15 pilots/FA's sleeping in there on a given night. They're not going to allow us to sleep on the couches that are already there, the company won't spend a dime on a beds.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Are you kidding me? Airlines won't even hand out crew meals, to keep turn times to a minimum. But they're going to set up beds with clean bedding for free?
I sleep in the crew room and been hearing how they're going to crack down on the guys sleeping in there. There are 10-15 pilots/FA's sleeping in there on a given night. They're not going to allow us to sleep on the couches that are already there, the company won't spend a dime on a beds.

You make a good point about the way things are now; and, now the result is known. We all tried to tell management that crew rest was a runaway freight train that could only result in disaster. I’m really surprised something like this hasn’t happened before to exhausted crews. The airlines have brought this accident on themselves by disincentives for crew rest. What is needed is FAA regulatory changes to be certain crews are well rested. Once this becomes law the associated expenses will be the same for all airlines, just like requiring radar, TCAS etc.

I hope the bean counters realize the result of their work and accept their rightful blame in this accident. .

 

[DX Rick]

You make a good point about the way things are now; and, now the result is known. We all tried to tell management that crew rest was a runaway freight train that could only result in disaster. I’m really surprised something like this hasn’t happened before to exhausted crews. The airlines have brought this accident on themselves by disincentives for crew rest. What is needed is FAA regulatory changes to be certain crews are well rested. Once this becomes law the associated expenses will be the same for all airlines, just like requiring radar, TCAS etc.

I hope the bean counters realize the result of their work and accept their rightful blame in this accident. .

It has happened before, but nothing was brought out of it.
The most recent time was the Corporate Express 5966 in Kirksville, MO.

The safety issues in this report focus on operational and human factors issues, including the pilots’ professionalism and sterile cockpit procedures, nonprecision instrument approach procedures, flight and duty time regulations, fatigue, and flight data/image recorder requirements.

The same can be said here. What they will do is kick the dead crew because they're not here to defend themselves and the airline (in their eyes) does everything to safest extent possible....Even the FAA says it's safe working 16 hours and only getting 8 hours of REST.
The airline will admitt no wrong doing, and the FAA will stand by it's regs, saying that it's adequate rest.
Duty time and rest has been the same since the late 60's. I don't think this is going to change it.
It's be nice though, some of the furloughed guys might be getting called back if they had to actually staff the airline properly.

 

[makersmarc]

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[doh]

Put down the pipe!!!

You'll flunk your next pee-test!!!

Good Lord people!!

Personal responsibility!!!

New words to everyone on this board. Look them up in the dictionary you immature whiners!!

If life is so miserable at the regionals, get out. Turn yourself into that perfect job candidate that your dream airline wants to hire. Don't bust any rides. Wear your hat. Get into the training department. Whatever it takes.

Do whatever it takes to get out of the minor leagues. Now after you've done all those things and you still can't get out, well then just suck it up and be the best darn regional pilot known to man. And maybe get involved in your union and do something about fixing these problems.

But no matter what, quit this freaki'n whining. The schedules, bases and pay were all known when we got into the industry. Can we all look in the mirror and say we did everthing possible to get hired at a major? Did we all get that 737 type?



People died because pilots didn't pilot.

Why aren't we reading posts about reforming our training programs? Perhaps making them harder? Maybe taking away the union's ability to protect dirtbags?

Funny how that one hasn't come up here.

I do have my dream job at Flexjet. The whole point of the "pilots didn't pilot" is fatigue. Fix that and the rest will follow.

As a side question, why didn't Colgan see that the captain had failed three PCs? Don't they do a PRIA?

 

[DX Rick]

As a side question, why didn't Colgan see that the captain had failed three PCs? Don't they do a PRIA?

Because in todays society no one fails anymore. No more "F's" are handed out, they're all "H's" for HELP.
And and GIA, NO ONE is a failure. They're ALL winners!

 

[doh]

I didn't realise he was GIA. There are too many threads out there to follow. I missed that.

 

[JA PILOT]

As far as I am concerned and in my opinion, Colgan management exploited and Murdered that girl and those passengers and it all cost them $16,0000 a year to do it.
Its a shame that America will never realize the truth until some of these executives heads start to roll.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Just move to your base. Or get a new job.