Hawker 800XP....snap rolled 3-4 times

[Fly91]

Hoover flies an experimental with inverted oil systems among other modifications. It is probably fair to say a aileron roll won't hurt the airframe if done properly. I think a fair argument can be made that rolling/looping aircraft not intended for acrobatics can hurt things attached to the airframe though.

A loop is an entirely different animal than an aileron roll. A loop can get ugly real quick and have massive G loading. Aileron rolls are totally stress free.

 

[Fly91]

Fly91, I have considerable aerobatic experience and do not enjoy you calling me an idiot about such a topic.

I guess all I have to say is, I have seen photos of a Hawker 800XP that WAS ROLLED and nearly totaled. Want to see the photos? check out the begining of this thread.

Do you think that the pilot trashed this plane on purpose?

I don't have considerable time, about 300 hours in Pitts, Extras and about 20 hours in the T-37 Tweet and T-38 Talon, combined.

And yes, that Hawker was damaged from rolling it the way he rolled it. And from twisting it back the other way halfway around. Thats what did the damage.

You of all people, having aerobatic time, should know that an aileron roll is basically stress free.

sorry about the idiot thing.

 

[AC560]

A loop is an entirely different animal than an aileron roll. A loop can get ugly real quick and have massive G loading. Aileron rolls are totally stress free.

Thanks for the acrobatic lesson. Try reading my post again.

 

[J3 Guy]

Luv your quip about hundreds of corporate jets being rolled everyday.
I would hope we are more professional than that, you must be flying with the wrong types of pilots.
If you have a hang up with rolls I would suggest Microsoft Flight sim, or radio control models.

J3

 

[siucavflight]

Hundreds of corporate jets are rolled every day? Get real.

 

[aubrey770]

Having been in the business for 40+ years, it is amazing to me that I have heard little if any talk about corporate airplanes doing rolls. With hundreds being done every day it seems to me there would be a little hangar talk. Oh! I forgot, we aviators are well known for modesty and gentlemanly silence.

The only guys I knew that bragged about such things are dead now. Not natural causes.

ALL of the corporate airplanes that I have flown have had a 60 degree bank limitation. Iintentionally violating an aircraft limitation would be grounds for the captain's certificate revocation. The copilot's should be revoked if he doesn't report it.

 

[siucavflight]

Fly91 has a hard on for rolling airplanes, may happen a lot where he works, but I promise you our aircraft has never been rolled.

 

[landlover]

a lot of people down in south florida think it is the norm to roll airplanes and to pencil whip checkrides, among other unacceptable practices. oh yeah, going to sim every 3 years is common place as well.

 

[pilot error]

i'm guessing fly91 really likes to roll airplanes, the way he is so vigorously defending the act.

i've never rolled a non-aerobatic aircraft, and i don't know anyone who has.

i'm sure that 100s are rolled everyday is accurate though. [/sarcasm]

 

[linder]

You're as naive as naive can possibly be.......

Please don't take offense to this.......but you are very ignorant. NJ planes have been rolled since day one and will continue to be rolled as long as they own planes. Sorry my friend.

I know 3 pilots there that have rolled the shiat out of planes for the past 7 years.

Do you think NJA is some special company or something? They are NOTHING more than a charter company with alot of planes. Gimmie a break.

You forget that seniority rules at NJA. Upgrades are few and far between right now. I guarantee you that if a captain rolls (or ever did roll) one of the QS airframes, the co-pilot will report it to the company before the engines have quit spining down. The Captain would be fired immediately and gues what...another upgrade slot.

 

[CMI]

It happens more than you think boys. Most people are not dumb enough to post it on You Tube though. I am not saying I have, but people do dumb $hit all the time.


Citation Barrel Roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwsCOam4r4Q

1900 Barrel roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDsj_aLboI

Piaggio P180

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-GykpBBb0Y

 

[landlover]

can not believe that p180 video, has the captains face in it, twice. what a moron for allowing that to happen. that stuff happens, more at some companies. none at others.

 

[siucavflight]

can not believe that p180 video, has the captains face in it, twice. what a moron for allowing that to happen. that stuff happens, more at some companies. none at others.

It happens zero at ours.

 

[landlover]

It happens zero at ours.

same here. and that is my point. some people think because they do it, everyone is doing it and it is a big secret that no one is talking about.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, it's confirmed...there are more stupid people out there flying that I originally thought....REALLY stupid!