Alaska TA is out. Pay Rates.

[Old School 737]

Hourly Rates Effective 4/1/09
Years of
Service
Captain
First Officer
0 to 1 $145.87 $45.54
1 to 2 $146.87 $71.75
2 to 3 $148.32 $84.92
3 to 4 $149.78 $93.26
4 to 5 $151.19 $99.67
5 to 6 $152.71 $102.26
6 to 7 $154.55 $104.10
7 to 8 $157.84 $105.97
8 to 9 $161.28 $108.29
9 to 10 $165.92 $111.60
10 to 11 $168.43 $113.08
11 to 12 $172.00 $115.60

 

[Mamma]

I am not surprised. I was hoping we could bring the bar up more than this. But, our MEC and negotiating committee are good dudes so I will wait to see what they have to say.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

Not great but not bad either. I was hoping for more than the 1.5% step increases to get close to pre Kasher by the end of the agreement but we cant win them all. Only scanned the summary but some good, some bad, alot in the middle. Reserve life should get easier but as we all know, the Devil is in the details.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm an outsider, but that looks pretty damn good to me. Pre-Kasher good? Not quite, but still pretty close after the step increases. For anyone to get close to pre-concessionary wages is a feat in itself right now. Good job to the ALA MEC.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Recession or not, the pay rates and signing bonus is a huge TURD! All other tiny improvements can't mask this TURD. Why even wait to vote for this TURD? Looks like TURD, smells like TURD..... it's a TURD!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm an outsider, but that looks pretty damn good to me. Pre-Kasher good? Not quite, but still pretty close after the step increases. For anyone to get close to pre-concessionary wages is a feat in itself right now. Good job to the ALA MEC.

Aren't AirTran's rates higher?

APC is down, can't cross check.

More importantly, what did they do with scope?

 

[Ocity]

5 years ago, a 3rd year FO made 111.00 Now...5 years later, we're supposed to be ok with a 12 year FO making 111.00

A vote for this, is a vote for the further degradation of the profession.

No cost of living? Guess who pays for that?

 

[PCL_128]

Aren't AirTran's rates higher?

Are you kidding? Not even close. Our Captains top out at $152/hr.

 

[Dan Roman]

Quick question as we (Hawaiian) are in equally contenteous (sp?) talks. Do you guys get any kind of overwater or other pay benefits for your Hawaii flying?

 

[wscrj]

Quick question as we (Hawaiian) are in equally contenteous (sp?) talks. Do you guys get any kind of overwater or other pay benefits for your Hawaii flying?

Currently, no.

TA says $5/hr CA and $4/hr FO

 

[Dan Roman]

Mahalo

 

[CesnaCaptn]

What does HAL get for ETOPs? Or for that matter, anyone else?

 

[QCappy]

Currently, no.

TA says $5/hr CA and $4/hr FO

Yes we do.:smash:


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International Pay

International Flying rates shall be paid for each hour flown in

international flying as follows:
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Captain $ 4.00​

2. First Officer $ 3.00​

Domestic Flying (for Pay Purposes): means the Company's operation​

between two (2) points within the forty-eight (48) contiguous United

States​

, Alaska and Canada but excluding Hawaii.

International Flying (for Pay Purposes): means all flying other than


domestic.



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[ImbracableCrunk]

The recent grievances concerning furloughed pilots and the implementation of Row 44 are included. In this way, we may start a new contract with new work rules as cleanly as possible by sweeping those issues under the rug.:smash:

 

[turbodriver]

The recent grievances concerning furloughed pilots and the implementation of Row 44 are included. In this way, we may start a new contract with new work rules as cleanly as possible by sweeping those issues under the rug.:smash:

I can't find anything pertaining to the furlough grievances either. I did notice however, that the new TA replaces the word "prevent" from the first sentence of the current section 23 with the word "mitigate." This is weaker language. The new TA still says that they have to post how long the furlough is going to be. Still no answer on that from the MEC yet....

 

[~~~^~~~]

Advice to the Alaska pilots - if you merge with another airline and Bloch is your arbitrator for SLI - make sure your airline's color on your arbitration presentation is pink. Bloch really likes pink and will say that there is not enough of that color at the top of the list a decade from now and will make adjustments to see enough of his favorite color near the top of the list.

It does not matter that you fly mostly 737's. NWA's DC9 pilots on furlough bypass were slotted in with 767 lineholders in some of Delta's senior bases.

It is not about status quo - no - it is all about the color, pink.

Might I suggest the color "Salmon" for the Alaska pilots. The most recent SLI looked like a whole shoal had spawned on the list, but were out of mojo by the time they got to the back of the list.

Whatever happens, status quo aint got nothing to do with it.

Only joking - sorta.

 

[densoo]

It isn't just about pay rates. Work rules! Rigs, soft time, pay clock starts whether door is closed or not, can effectively equal a pay increase. Oh, for just a few work rules other than FARs.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I can't find anything pertaining to the furlough grievances either. I did notice however, that the new TA replaces the word "prevent" from the first sentence of the current section 23 with the word "mitigate." This is weaker language. The new TA still says that they have to post how long the furlough is going to be. Still no answer on that from the MEC yet....

You've got your answer, don't you? The Section 23 grievance is dead if this is voted in. No making whole, no back pay and back to work.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeah I think that their 73 rates are better than DAL's. Got to check though.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Aren't AirTran's rates higher?

APC is down, can't cross check.

More importantly, what did they do with scope?

FO rates are not even in the same ballpark. Looks pretty good to me right about now.

But as someone pointed out, it's about much more than just payscales. Losing sight of the bigger picture in terms of scope and work rules can really diminish QOL.