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Because there seems to be quite a few naysayers that believe that the Gojet pilot group would have something to say about an NMB "Single Carrier" determination; let me explain the process to you.

1. Trans States Holdings and TSA/ALPA jointly would request the National Mediation Board determine that the Holding Co. was being operated as a single carrier.

2. The NMB would immediatly comply with this joint request because they'd love to get our butts off their docket and stop wasting their time. Also TSA will be the next case in their books to go to self-help and they would like to avoid this if at all possible.

3. At that time the NMB would count the number of pilots on both lists (including furloughees) and decide whether a vote will be required to determine who the joint collective bargaining agent will be. If one group outnumbers the other by a certain margine than no vote would be required and the NMB would impose the majority agent on the minority group.

4. In our case ALPA would be declared the de facto collective bargaining agent of the joint pilot group and ALPAs merger policies would begin. This could go well... Delta/Northwest, Pinnacle/Colgan or it could go very bad... USair/America West. Worst case scenario it goes to binding arbitration after 3 or 4 months and we all live with the results.

5. The company and ALPA would jointly agree to establish equipment fences and transfer protocols that would minimize the training cost impact on the company. Furloughed TSA pilots would be poured into the new metal coming to Gojet and all current Gojet pilots would be safe in their seats regardless of seniority until the fences come down.

And that's it folks. Anyone who's under the impression that we need to negotiate with or ask permission to go ahead with this from the Gojet pilots just has no fraking idea how the Railway Labour Act works. And if you think that TSHoldings will shoot this down to protect your dumb asses well you're even more naive than I thought. The Holding company is going to do what's in it's best financial interests... and right now that is sucking it up and rebuilding this dump back into a functioning 2 airlines with a merged seniority list. Folks like David are going to have to be content with the small win we're offering them rather than the big win of putting us all on the street.

This seems like a brilliant plan but I think it has already been tried. See 33 NMB No. 9 Case Nos. R-7069 and R-7070 (File No. CR-6885) December 21, 2005 at http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf

CONCLUSION
The Board finds that TSA and GoJet are not operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA for the craft or class of Pilots. Accordingly, ALPA’s application in File No. CR-6885 is converted to NMB Case No. R-7069 and dismissed.
 
2. The NMB would immediatly (sp) comply with this joint request because they'd love to get our butts off their docket and stop wasting their time.
That's not how the court operates.

Also TSA will be the next case in their books to go to self-help and they would like to avoid this if at all possible.
Their decisions are not made based on who might or might not seek self help options. It just doesn't work that way.
 
Either you don't understand, or you don't want to, that this differs from the previous Single Carrier petition in that Trans States Holdings is being asked to JOINTLY request this determination from the NMB. TSHoldings would not be objecting to the single carrier status as they did earlier, but would instead, without admitting wrong doing, state that they are NOW operating labour relations at the two carriers in such a way as to conform with the NMBs criteria of single carrier status. Thus the NMB would more than likely grant this request as there would be no dissenting party. The Teamsters would have to decide at that time whether to object; and why would they seeing as how their airlines growth is directly in jeapordy due to the carriers inability to secure finances for additional aircraft. Remember the recent revelation of additional aircraft orders is from last March... if they had the dough; you'd have the planes.

A merger of the lists in in the best interests of both pilot groups and the company. With a fair and equitable seniority integration Gojet frees itself of their pariah status and is able to secure the financing necessary to grow; and the TSA pilots ensure their continued employment and long term success. Also with so many TSA pilots on furlough Gojet would be able to effortlessly staff any new equipment without any problems. No more denied jumpseating... no more interference in the aquisition of leasing cash... just one big happy, though dysfunctional, family.

United we will go forward as a successful company with 2 certificates; divided we will drag the whole operation down in flames. Have no doubt; if TSA pilots lose this fight, we'll take both companies down with us. Trans States pilots are fighting for our very livelyhoods... don't think for a minute we'll care about yours on our way down. Gojet also cannot support the fat bloated network of management personnel currently at TSH... these folks want to keep their jobs as well; do you think other airlines will hire the very executives that brought down TSA?

Oh and Laserman... keep me straight on all my spelling mistakes here; I'm counting on you. And the NMBs job here is to safeguard the interstate commerce system within the guidelines of the RLA. Everything we're proposing is in those best interests, so what makes you think we'll find a roadblock in the NMB?
 
Either you don't understand, or you don't want to, that this differs from the previous Single Carrier petition in that Trans States Holdings is being asked to JOINTLY request this determination from the NMB. TSHoldings would not be objecting to the single carrier status as they did earlier, but would instead, without admitting wrong doing, state that they are NOW operating labour (sp) relations at the two carriers in such a way as to conform with the NMBs criteria of single carrier status. Thus the NMB would more than likely grant this request as there would be no dissenting party. The Teamsters would have to decide at that time whether to object; and why would they seeing as how their airlines growth is directly in jeapordy (sp) due to the carriers inability to secure finances for additional aircraft. Remember the recent revelation of additional aircraft orders is from last March... if they had the dough; you'd have the planes.

A merger of the lists in in the best interests of both pilot groups and the company. With a fair and equitable seniority integration Gojet frees itself of their pariah status and is able to secure the financing necessary to grow; and the TSA pilots ensure their continued employment and long term success. Also with so many TSA pilots on furlough Gojet would be able to effortlessly staff any new equipment without any problems. No more denied jumpseating... no more interference in the aquisition (sp) of leasing cash... just one big happy, though dysfunctional, family.

United we will go forward as a successful company with 2 certificates; divided we will drag the whole operation down in flames. Have no doubt; if TSA pilots lose this fight, we'll take both companies down with us. Trans States pilots are fighting for our very livelyhoods (sp)... don't think for a minute we'll care about yours on our way down. Gojet also cannot support the fat bloated network of management personnel currently at TSH... these folks want to keep their jobs as well; do you think other airlines will hire the very executives that brought down TSA?

Oh and Laserman... keep me straight on all my spelling mistakes here; I'm counting on you. And the NMBs job here is to safeguard the interstate commerce system within the guidelines of the RLA. Everything we're proposing is in those best interests, so what makes you think we'll find a roadblock in the NMB?
The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
  • The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
  • The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
  • The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
From http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/mission.html

Spelling corrections as requested sir.
 
I don't see the NMB reversing their decision unless it can be proven that there has been a significant change from 2005 to now. Are you aware of a significant change?

If all three parties, TSH, ALPA, IBT, were to agree, there would be no reason to involve the NMB.
 
I'm just saying that your vision of what is going to happen seems to have some pretty big holes in it. That doesn't mean there is no hope. I just don't think the path you have described is the one that leads to where you want to go.
 
Burn this ********************hole down, and make sure that dot-not-feather is in the pyre...
"I don't say we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops!...uh, depending on the breaks."


"
I'm afraid, sir, I must ask you for the key, and the recall code. Have you got them handy, sir?"

P.O.E.


 
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Regionals are just good time builders and stepping stone jobs... get the time, move on to better things and be happy.

just relAX and enjoy life.

:)

Cheers!
 
Regionals are just good time builders and stepping stone jobs... get the time, move on to better things and be happy.

just relAAX and enjoy life.

:)

Cheers!

Well its easy to relax when you have a good job...the regionals aren't a 'good job.'
 

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