Pinnacle finally gets fair with AA over jumpseating..

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, I'm kinda surprised you think pilots who seek 'self-help' to compel issue resolution is "unprofessional".

Self help at another pilot groups expense?

 

[DoinTime]

Explain why the UAL pilots were obligated to do anything. Where was the UAL pilots responsibility?

This was an issue between the regional carriers, regional pilots and their contract company.

The obligation ALWAYS lies with the pilot group that has the access (or influence) to enact change. In this case the UAL pilot were obligated to fix the problem because they were the only ones capable of getting the problem fixed.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The obligation ALWAYS lies with the pilot group that has the access (or influence) to enact change. In this case the UAL pilot were obligated to fix the problem because they were the only ones capable of getting the problem fixed.

I agree that the UAL pilots should have helped becuase they could have.... that doesn't excuse the "tactics" used by the regional jumpseat chairs..

 

[DoinTime]

that doesn't excuse the "tactics" used by the regional jumpseat chairs..

What else would have worked? Diplomacy obviously failed.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What else would have worked? Diplomacy obviously failed.

The ends justify the means?

It is not only what is done, but how its done...

 

[DoinTime]

The ends justify the means?

Things that are worth fighting for never come easy. Establishing independence for America didn't come easy, ending slavery didn't come easy, equal rights (for as as far as American has come) hasn't come easy.

Diplomacy has limits and when they have reached their end unpleasant things happen. Just like contract negotiations, when diplomacy comes to an end self help ensues. That is the way of the civilized world and the potential unpleasantries of self help is what keeps diplomacy alive for as long possible.

A document which we both hold so dear has significant relevance here:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't see the regional pilots as revolutionary colonial rebels and the UAL pilots as King George....

I see both pilot groups as equals (each one of 13 colonies) and UAL corp as King George.....

 

[rtmcfi]

The ends justify the means?

It is not only what is done, but how its done...

In the UAX/UAL case, the end result most certainly justified the means. The UAX guys no longer get hosed on their own iron. With the exception of a few guys getting their feelings of supiority shaken, no one got hurt. How many rides did mainline folks get bumped out of?

The nancies that got their feelings hurt were not your typical UAL line pilot. Of the several that I spoke with over the issue, all thought the UAX folks were justified. Bottom line: alls well that ends well. The agreements are now being processed by an improved system. Good luck Pinnacle!

 

[hmmm]

I am not going to take it up with anyone, I don't jumpseat on Pinnacle anymore.

I read the letter very carefully. I am also reading a bunch of posters get giddying about sticking it to AA pilots on their jumpseat.

AA


Maybe you should read some of the other posts on here, I love the one calling the AA FO a biaatch.

Some classy guys you have over there.

Biaaatch

 

[LocoPiloto]

Biaaatch

Get your house in order Pinnacle, or you are not welcome on my jumpseat at FDX.. Your post above is about as pathetic as could be.... PFT at Gulfstream?


Loco