Pinnacle finally gets fair with AA over jumpseating..

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I'm pretty sure this applies to AE as well:

Several years ago American Airlines revised all of their Jumpseat agreements. Basically, they intended to revise their agreement to mirror the airline they were reciprocating with (Pinnacle is unlimited, so they would offer unlimited Jumpseats to Pinnacle pilots on AA). Pinnacle was one of the first airlines to solicit the new change by submitting a paper request to AA’s Director of Operations. Shortly after AA started the program, they decided not to include Pinnacle Airlines in their revised policy. They felt that we did not have enough to offer and we would be utilizing them more than they would us. Furthermore, it was determined that if one of our pilots wished to travel on AA, they could buy a pass, thus generating income for the AA seat.

Years have passed and our requests have fallen on deaf ears at AA. Your Jumpseat Committee has been contacted numerous times by frustrated Pinnacle pilots left behind at an AA gate while a flight departs with multiple open seats. These calls have been as frequent as once every two days. Recently, our pilots have not been calling because they have all but given up on depending on AA for a ride. AA is unreliable because of their limited Jumpseat policy and misinformed gate agents.

AA pilots compound the problem. One of the common mistakes is denying a Pinnacle Jumpseater when any unlimited Jumpseat pilots show up for a ride. We have even had reports of AA Captains accepting numerous unlimited Jumpseat pilots who show up AFTER our pilot, then bumping our pilot because they reason they are able to accommodate more pilots this way.

We have come a long way with our Jumpseat program at Pinnacle over the last ten years. We had a program that initially allowed only one Jumpseater, that we were able to increase to three, then to unlimited after several years. We have agreements with other airlines that have Jumpseat restrictions and we still haul them unlimited. American however has morphed into an airline that picks and chooses who will ride on them for free and who they can force to buy a ticket. They have turned out to be an airline that is simply not reliable. Because of this, we have advised AA that our agreement with them is in peril.

One last step that we feel would be fair before cancelling our Jumpseat agreement with AA altogether is to limit our Jumpseats in the same fashion as they limit Pinnacle pilots on their Jumpseats. We will try this in an attempt to renegotiate with AA to get unlimited Jumpseat status with them.

If you are operating a flight and you have an AA Jumpseater, they MAY ride our Jumpseat as long as there are no other Jumpseaters already present. As an example of our revised AA Jumpseat policy, if an AA pilot is FIRST to request a Jumpseat and subsequently more Jumpseaters show up to the gate, the AA pilot MAY still ride since he/she was first in line. However, if there is already an OAL Jumpseater and then the AA pilot shows up to the gate, he/she WILL NOT be given a ride regardless of how many seats are empty and available on the aircraft. An AA pilot CANNOT under any circumstance, Jumpseat internationally.

If you have an AA pilot who wishes to Jumpseat on one of our flights, please kindly remind them why we have this revised program in place, regardless of whether or not they are accommodated on board.

In November 2009, your Jumpseat Committee will meet to discuss this agreement further. Until then, please notify us of ANY AA Jumpseaters, regardless of whether or not they are left behind. We will take the total number in November to AA as an indication of just how many of their pilots we carry.

We are asking for your cooperation in implementing this revised Jumpseat policy as it applies to American Airlines Jumpseaters. Please note that both ALPA National and Pinnacle Airlines Management are aware of and are supportive of this revised policy.

If you have any questions or concerns regarding our revised American Airlines Reciprocal Jumpseat policy and/or its application, please contact your Jumpseat Committee representatives:
 

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This does not apply to Eagle because Eagle gives us unlimited jumpseat access...This only applies to AA mainline
 

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Way to go!!!

I have a new respect for Pinnacle Pilots....
 

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I was just in Dallas, and had an American Fo trying to Jumpseat, I said sorry, change your policy and we'll change ours. He was pissed, I told him to contact his jumpseat cordinator, what comes around goes around Biaaaatch!
 

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Now if we could get Mesaba to do that as well.
 

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I think that I will make a copy of the letter to give to the jumpseater. At least this way they will have something to do while waiting for another flight!

 

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Good going. We have a minor problem with the AA/AE j/s over at Comair. They won't let us ride in the back international whereas we will allow them. I'm not talking over the pond, just Canada and Caribbean. I've let a few of them ride, but ask them to look into their policy...never heard anything back and the emails I've sent to our j/s comitte have gone unanswered. Maybe it's time to take similar action.

Thank goodness for Air Canada; they've been great at getting me to the Great White North!
 

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I was just in Dallas, and had an American Fo trying to Jumpseat, I said sorry, change your policy and we'll change ours. He was pissed, I told him to contact his jumpseat cordinator, what comes around goes around Biaaaatch!
real professional.. did you call him a biaatch as well. You do know that AA management is the one the controls the jumpseat. APA can request and AA can deny. APA is in the middle of contract negotiations, sick time time issues, pay issues, one of the highest amount of grievances ever, and you would like us to use negotiating capital to get you additional seats.

Calling AA unreliable is funny, as numerous pilots including myself in the past could never make it on a restricted Pinnacle flight, and now AA pilots get to enjoy Mesaba agents who could care less about jumpseaters.

I can tell you when thing, this started a real ******************** storm, in the end you all may have more to loose than AA pilots

Last but not least taking it out on individual jumpseaters who do not control this is an unprofessional way to go. You can be sure it is getting around of here, and unfortunately some unlike myself are going to stick it back.

AA does Int'l differently and will not break things up for jumpseaters for Pinnacle pilots. Unlimited may be in option if AA approves it.

One thing is for certain, if threats are made and jumpseats agreements are taken away. They are not going to come back here.

Careful what you wish for, you may just get it.

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AAflyer
 
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I think that I will make a copy of the letter to give to the jumpseater. At least this way they will have something to do while waiting for another flight!

By the way, flew a domestic trip the other day, and we took a Pinnacle Captain. I explained to him what we were up against. I guess under your philosophy we should have left him at the gate.

The jumpseat falling prey to politics once again. Not to mention some of the pilots that have been pushing this for you are the same ones you will harm. Like I said earlier, I know we have enough guys here that will retaliate like you have.

AAflyer

P.S> I do not jumpseat on Pinnacle.
 
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By the way, flew a domestic trip the other day, and we took a Pinnacle Captain. I explained to him what we were up against. I guess under your philosophy we should have left him at the gate.

The jumpseat falling prey to politics once again. Not to mention some of the pilots that have been pushing this for you are the same ones you will harm. Like I said earlier, I know we have enough guys here that will retaliate like you have.

AAflyer

P.S> I do not jumpseat on Pinnacle.
Please read more carefully. We will only leave AA pilots at the gate if there is already another jumpseater on our plane. If you can't get on due to a weight restriction, what I can I say? Take it up with Bombardier, any CRJ operator deals with the same issue and ERJs are oftentimes worse.
 

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Please read more carefully. We will only leave AA pilots at the gate if there is already another jumpseater on our plane. If you can't get on due to a weight restriction, what I can I say? Take it up with Bombardier, any CRJ operator deals with the same issue and ERJs are oftentimes worse.
I am not going to take it up with anyone, I don't jumpseat on Pinnacle anymore.

I read the letter very carefully. I am also reading a bunch of posters get giddying about sticking it to AA pilots on their jumpseat.

AA


Maybe you should read some of the other posts on here, I love the one calling the AA FO a biaatch.

Some classy guys you have over there.
 

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If you are operating a flight and you have an AA Jumpseater, they MAY ride our Jumpseat as long as there are no other Jumpseaters already present. As an example of our revised AA Jumpseat policy, if an AA pilot is FIRST to request a Jumpseat and subsequently more Jumpseaters show up to the gate, the AA pilot MAY still ride since he/she was first in line. However, if there is already an OAL Jumpseater and then the AA pilot shows up to the gate, he/she WILL NOT be given a ride regardless of how many seats are empty and available on the aircraft. An AA pilot CANNOT under any circumstance, Jumpseat internationally.
I have always tried to accommodate all jumpseaters to the best of my ability. I think that’s all that anyone wants in return from AA.

Just following the policy. If a jumpseater has to be left because of the new policy I intend to give them a copy so that they can understand what we are dealing with here. And yes, they can read it while they wait for another flight.
 

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News flash to American, nobody likes you guys, you leave hundreds of pilots behind everyday because of your stupid jumpseat policy. I am giddy about not letting you guys on, I've been burned many a time in South Florida with you guys. It's called Karma!
 

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I have always tried to accommodate all jumpseaters to the best of my ability. I think that’s all that anyone wants in return from AA.

Just following the policy. If a jumpseater has to be left because of the new policy I intend to give them a copy so that they can understand what we are dealing with here. And yes, they can read it while they wait for another flight.
That is about as professional as you can get. The problem is when people let emotions make decisions or speak for them..

Hopefully this will be resolved to everyones liking, as BOTH pilot groups have a lot to lose.
 

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That is about as professional as you can get. The problem is when people let emotions make decisions or speak for them..

Hopefully this will be resolved to everyones liking, as BOTH pilot groups have a lot to lose.
Relax AAflyer. This is in the interest of all pilot groups. It will hopefully create attendance results that cause a change in company policy. Consider that you work for the company that has offended. Go, and I mean really go, and try to do something for your fellow brethren if you truly want this resolved to everyone's liking.
 

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I commute on AA every time I go to and from work. Their pilots have been nothing but extremely helpful in getting me on. I just call the nonrev number and list the jumpseat. The captain always tries to get me first class and if he cant, and I am in the back or the jumpseat, he/she will at least get me a free hot meal. Granted I dont work for Pinnacle but I really appreciate how great AA pilots have been to me.
 

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Relax AAflyer. This is in the interest of all pilot groups. It will hopefully create attendance results that cause a change in company policy. Consider that you work for the company that has offended. Go, and I mean really go, and try to do something for your fellow brethren if you truly want this resolved to everyone's liking.
I deleted my first response as I looked at some of your other posts. You seem to be sincere and professional. (refreshing on this board:D )

I have done what i can, and now it is in the hands of APA to deal with our management.

AAflyer

Countless hours have been spent helping fellow brethren in this profession, at this airline and some before.
 
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I was burned by American trying to go to a buddies funeral who was killed in Afghanistan. I was in CASS, jumpseat everywhere else. No, not American. Had to buy a ticket DFW-ORD. Gate agents didn't care, pilots didn't care. Flight attendants did after I bought a last minute ticket, and hooked me up with food, and drinks.

Fix your house, American.

You don't want to be like Delturd..... :puke:
 
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