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FBN0223

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From Richard, "We have too many RJs." More specifically, I believe the 50 seat CRJ was his reference. To the best of my knowledge, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Skywest, Comair, and ASA are the operators who fly CRJs under the Delta/NW brand. CRJ reduction is in the works. Anyone have any information on the reduction percentages? Which regional would be most effected? Perhaps eliminated completely?

Hopefully, we will see an increase in DC-9 flying and at least some recapturing of what were at one time mainline DL/NW routes, especially on the longer segments.

The May APA/Flying Bulletin due out in a few days should give some initial indication of the increase in DC-9/A320 flying for the year.
 
I would love more than anything to keep the DC9 flying much longer, and also bring back the 75/76 flying that we lost, but everything our new company does will be driven by market demand, oil prices, and the world economy.

If they decide the 'lil RJ brings in more cash than a DC9/md88 on a route, then they'll keep'em longer, it's all a function of mathematical formulae they use to maximize profits, and hopefully we'll keep our jobs as well. I think the oil prices is the sole reason for now why the 50 seaters aren't falling out of the sky. Those on the 4th floor aren't hesitate to pull the trigger when market condition changes.
 
From Richard, "We have too many RJs." More specifically, I believe the 50 seat CRJ was his reference. To the best of my knowledge, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Skywest, Comair, and ASA are the operators who fly CRJs under the Delta/NW brand. CRJ reduction is in the works. Anyone have any information on the reduction percentages? Which regional would be most effected? Perhaps eliminated completely?

Hopefully, we will see an increase in DC-9 flying and at least some recapturing of what were at one time mainline DL/NW routes, especially on the longer segments.

The May APA/Flying Bulletin due out in a few days should give some initial indication of the increase in DC-9/A320 flying for the year.

when did he make this statement?..just curious how recent it was.
 
Last week

I heard him say we had 75-100 too many RJs last March. At the time I thought his hands were tied with the DCI contracts and Delta would not be able to dump the excess RJ lift. I was wrong. In 2008 DAL dumped approximately 100 RJs from the system. I expect this will be a long term trend that will continue. RJ lift will be consolidated into 70/76 seaters, DC-9s and MD88s.
 
Many cities that were previously flown by mainline were transferred to the RJ fleet over the past few years. So that flying is being returned back to the mainline jets :)
 
when did he make this statement?..just curious how recent it was.

They are working on getting us to relieve scope again. They want to replace all of the 50-seaters with CRJ900's and E-175's. Don't kid yourselves guys. It took them years to erode our profession with lower paying labor. They are not going to go in the other direction voluntarily.
 
I heard him say we had 75-100 too many RJs last March. At the time I thought his hands were tied with the DCI contracts and Delta would not be able to dump the excess RJ lift. I was wrong. In 2008 DAL dumped approximately 100 RJs from the system. I expect this will be a long term trend that will continue. RJ lift will be consolidated into 70/76 seaters, DC-9s and MD88s.

And with RA and Bastian saying up at the ANC pilot meeting that neither Boeing nor Airbus desire to produce a 100 seat aircraft, where does that leave us when the DC9's (and 88's) do eventually time out?

We have to guard against a Trojan horse of relief for additional 76 seat flying coming to us under the guise of temporary gains in mainline flying.

We must have a long term plan and commitment that whatever form this flying eventually takes, be it CRJ900's or E175/195 or the Bombardier 100 seater, that all 70 seat plus flying is flown by mainline pilots. No more Scope relief, ever.
 
How about taking it back?

Lets start by getting a single list with Compass. From there, the capture of the E170 flying is one (non ALPA) contract away.
 
Those E series jets are mainline jets. This is where they should be. I am sure we will get to find out if we have a back bone on this issue with mid-term contract gains or in 2012. If we give them those, (Below 100 seats) you can kiss all narrow body lift bye bye. (Sans some 757 and 737 lift)

They dumped 100 RJ's last year and it was their intention to dump another 100 in 09. With fuel prices way down, It is probably in their best interest to keep some of those flying and park the 757's. They are doing this. It keeps demand out of the market.
Now when demand returns you will see the 757's go back to their old routes and the 88 and 9 take the flying of the DCI carriers.
See, many of these contracts are coming up on year three. What is stipulated is that the specific carrier needs to be in the bottom half of all DCI operators in tems of cost. Not real hard to do since most the wholly owneds are the most expensive.
Now two years down the road, in year five of the respective DCI contracts, each respective carrier needs to be in the bottom two in terms of overall cost.
What this means is that only two operators will be in compliance with this part of the contract. It will allow DAL to terminate said contract. It is an out for Momma Delta.
Now we also have metric minimiums in each contract. If those are not met, flying can and has been pulled down.
With the fuel prices dropping it may allow DAL not to void contracts but instead let them take their normal course. Either way the way we pay the DCI carriers is changing. And the amount of service that is operated by a third party should change to more mainline lift.
If you want to be a global airline you need to give that type of service. I am sure that when RA states it is seamless travel between mainline and DCI, he knows that is a joke. The are working very hard for a uniform branded image. DCI has always had issues with that.

(I am not beating up on DCI pilots, just their companies. The airplanes are flown, for the most part, as porfessionally as mainline, so do not start that argument)
 

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